Myspace pages of Werribee scumbag gang members


Earlier this week, a group of Werribee teenagers attacked a 17 year old girl along side the Werribee river away from prying eyes and passers by. The demeaning attack on the girl was video taped and later copied to DVD for distribution to schoolmates which has horrified local residents.

I myself am a Werribee resident and to hear of something this vicious and torturous happening to a local is absolutely appalling and the full force of the law should be applied to these reckless youths before anything like this happens again.

It has come to my attention that this group of teens have profiles on the popular social networking site myspace. Here is a list below of their profiles:

Just reading through some of the comments left on these pages is absolutely sickening. How can a group of people this young commit such violent crimes with no respect or remorse.

I hope they get what’s coming to them. The full force of the law should be dealt to them swiftly to remove these idiots from society.

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303 thoughts on “Myspace pages of Werribee scumbag gang members

  1. I’m very interested in this story for my blog. Do you have a link to a news story with the suspects’ names? I would give you complete credit of course. Please e-mail me.

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  3. I can’t be bothered emailing anyone. The names of those involved come from the credits of another video they made (a perfectly fine, legal comedy show) and posted on YouTube. There were a few others whose names are known that also had MySpace accounts but they recently deleted them. The DVD which featured the assault (“Cunt The Movie”) also had a MySpace but it was deleted yesterday (www.myspace.com/cunt_the_movie). When I saw that MySpace, it just had about 30 comments from people talking about how funny/good it is and whether they can be in the sequel. There was no blog. There were some videos on the page but they were just of them riding dirtbikes (that’s the sort of thing the rest of the DVD is said to have consisted of).

    If you want more information go to the boards at zgeek.com. You’ll find the names of others and a few pictures and other details there.

  4. I’m the one who says no problem, I’m the one that helped. It says my comment is still awaiting moderation though… You didn’t just tell Mr Trench what I said and pretended that it was you talking, did you? If you did you are no better than those Werribee boys.

  5. Thank you for your interest guys in this matter and just so you know Cobra, no I didn’t take your comment off and tell Trench everything you told me.

    The initial thought of moderating your previous comment was based upon this blog’s comment disclaimer which can be read here.

  6. I pray to God that the people who were actively involved in such a sickening video, get pissed on the way that poor girl did, and get raped and tortured the way that poor girl did.

    Such skinny ugly little fuckers,that these perpetrators are, i really hope that they get bashed in a way that is beyond sensless and imaginable, because such ugly and lame excuses for human beings are nothing but a waste of space on this planet.

  7. Hey everyone. Its pretty disgusting what they did. Its worrying that on one of there MySpace accounts
    http://www.myspace.com/retro_paku
    it says;

    HI BITCHES!!! my name is EMANUELE…. I LOVE TO PLAY THE BANG GAME…………. enjoy yourself, while you check out my profile…………. VOTE RICKY – SMS RICKY TO 19 10 10

    I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW I DONT REGRET MAKING THE MOVIE, INFACT, I’M GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER ONE!

    Creepy. Hope they get fined or go to juvenile hall or something.

  8. i think u need to research more before u say anything on this matter.

    some of ur information is incorrect.

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  10. the retards here are these guys. they think that this will “blow over” soon and they will only be mildly scolded. what they don’t realize is that they have ruined the rep of their country, families, and themselves. AS IF any college in the world is going to fucking want them. They’ll have to live with this hatred for the rest of their lives. haha…karma, right?

  11. Yeah thats exactly right. They will have to live with the hatred for the rest of their lives. I live here in Werribee and trust me, the local community absolutely hate those kids right now, its totally unforgivable what they have done.

  12. It is so sad that you actually believe all that the media has told you. Not one of you actually know the truth. The world will be shocked when the truth is known. What you see and hear is what people want you to see and hear. Many of you have placed many innocent peoples lives in danger …. and over what? I can’t believe how easily people just follow like lambs.

  13. WOW…I am amazed at how people will still believe and be sympathetic to a fucking bunch of rapists. This has happened numerous times in court cases where the freaking victim (a girl) was BLAMED for being raped and the assaulters were let off (guys). It’s FUCKING SICK and THIS SHOULD FUCKING STOP. Ask your what kind of world we live in if we continually don’t bring to justice these sick fuckers who believe they can treat and hurt others as trash and get the fuck away with it. Well, they won’t. And “Listener”, I didn’t learn this from the fucking media cauz I live on another continent where this isn’t publicly known. I learned this from seeing the myspace pages of those fucking sick rapists. In other words, I heard and got it directly from those “innocent people”, who have all said that they fucking did all those sick things and are proud of it.

  14. Yes
    Infact “BICCY BRENDO”
    is the guy that was burning the hair
    ive contacted one of the people who knoew them
    and he confirmed that it is him.

  15. You are all such wonderful people. I dare say that your own my space pages are full of utter rubbish which I would interpret as the rantings of sick human beings. This young lady remained in contact and still tries to maintain contact with these boys. The general public don’t want to believe the level of promiscuity that goes on nowadays. I don’t condone it either. You’re obviously very sheltered or naive. Nobody has been charged yet but a part of me hopes that happens just so everything comes out in the open but then other people will be hurt by the truth. Leave the boys alone and leave her alone too. Not one of you have viewed the DVD. You are all sheep and I feel sorry for you all and hope to God this never happens to anyone close to you. None of you have any idea what is going at the moment and none of you care. Lovely world isn’t it. Nobody has even offered any suggestions as to how we make sure this never happens again. But I guess you would all suggest to execute every 15 or 16yr old who makes a mistake.

  16. Listener, Just b/c the girl has maintained contact with the guys, doesn’t prove anything. Ever hear of the Glen Ridge rape? That was a simlair incident involving a retarded girl who was gang raped by some assholes with a broom and a bat.
    Even thou the guys treated her like shit,she STILL thought of the guys as her friends. A lot of the mentally retarded people out there really have poor judgement when it comes to relationship issues. Like many of them don’t have real friends, so when they get negative attention (even as negative as a rape) they STILL can’t extrapolarate, and think that b/c they were abused, it was just a one time thing, and that they’re still friends.
    Hell……….a lot of abused WOMEN go through stuff like this! Ever hear of battered women’s syndrome? (the woman constantly goes back to her abuser b/c she thinks that he’s still a good boy at heart, and the abuse is just a price to pay)
    If this had just involved a blowjob, nobody would be all that upset. Blowjobs aren’t international news. What everyone is upset about is the fact that she was physically tortured. NOBODY can consent to having their hair set on fire……nobody can consent to being pissed on . What you don’t understand is that that’s always the defense…….”Oh she consented!” I’m sorry, but her still being in contact with those boys, just proves my point. She doesn’t understand that those guys are sadistic creeps who don’t like her. She probaly thinks that it was a one time thing, and that they are still her fwiends. After all, they were so nice on IM!

  17. The ironies of ironies…yes, I guess we’re all wrong and the boys are such highly intelligent, moral, wonderful kids…yes…let’s just forget they bullied and gang raped a disadvantaged girl and humiliated someone’s life by selling what they did on dvd…yes, let’s all just forget that since they’re such wonderful people. let’s also forget about murders, child abuse, kidnappings, modern slavery…yes, let’s just forget ALL of that, because after all, weren’t all those people who are doing that once little WONDERFUL boys long ago??? Why should they ever be punished? I mean, let’s just let them go thinking they did nothing wrong and that it’s okay to treat others like pieces of trash and oh! let them go gang rape some other girls, maybe you even? how would you like it? oh…it’s OKAY to make a “mistake” like that…I mean, EVERYONE does it right? And how could we ever possibly make sure this NEVER happens again?? I mean, we CAN’T POSSIBLY lock up these criminals so that they can’t harm any other disadvantage girl or person….hmmm….whatever can we do??? why don’t we just blame those that are trying to mkae a community a bit safer by saying they are blaming “wonderful” boys….

  18. “Listener”,

    you obviously don’t hear the cries and anguish of a family who has been devastated by the sick enjoyments of a bunch of teenage boys who haven’t been properly brought up with any morals whatsoever. the same goes to you, you sick twisted freak.

  19. Not one of you have viewed the DVD>>> Yes, but we’ve seen excerpts from it! This isn’t like the Bible/Koran/fill in the blank with whatever book, where you can quote stuff out of context, and have it appear to be evil. How is setting someone’s hair on fire “in good fun?” How is pissing on them and purposly throwing piss on them in good fun?

    I dare say that your own my space pages are full of utter rubbish which I would interpret as the rantings of sick human beings.>>>>>>
    Yeah, but not about stuff like this!

    . The general public don’t want to believe the level of promiscuity that goes on nowadays. I don’t condone it either. You’re obviously very sheltered or naive.>>>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Let me guess. You’re a teen yourself. You probaly even know the boys. But you just can’t believe that good ol’ boys would do such a horrid thing! It’s just a joke. He he he he he! Come back in a couple of years when you’ve matured and then look at what you said. YOU are the naive sheltered one!!!! >> Listener, we’re not. But this wasn’t just a “mistake”……….the DVD has the most sadistic sociopathic behavoir on it. Behavoir that would make the Nazis look like Jesus or Gandi or Mother Teresa!

  20. Funny how things are starting to unfold now. I really didn’t think the truth would start to come out for a while but there’s more to come. The media has actually started to print some truth.
    BTW I’m a 45 yr old woman …. with alot less pent up anger than most of you it seems.

  21. Listener,
    care to link to some of those “true media” reports?
    I don’t doubt that the media has glommed onto reports….but you know what? They do that in virtually ALL rape cases. I doubt that you’re really who you say you are.
    How do you know so much about this case anyway?

  22. I don’t consider Today Tonight a real news show anyway. I would call it more of a gossip column which may (or may not) be based on fact. They have a habit of re-editing footage and comments to suit their story. It makes it hard to believe anything they show or say.
    Just check Media Watch to see how much they like them.

    ..If you notice in other media…they all quote the Today tonight story to cover their asses so if the story is wrong it all falls back on Today tonight.

    Dont know who is wrong or right…i am just waiting for the police charges.
    If the boys movie was just that a “Movie”, Was the girl a victim or a participant who was embarrassed by her own actions after the fact? Was it a setup or real?
    Yeah she wasnt treated very nicely in the 30sec edited footage we saw, but what haven’t we seen?
    It seems to me the truth is yet to unfold.
    If this case is so simple why is it taking so long?
    I am just not sure what really happened as i do not trust Today Tonight to give us facts. I think i will sit back, let the police do their investigations, and wait for a trial that is based on real investigating not just gossip.

  23. Yeah, but come ON!!!!! How can someone consent to being pissed on and having their hair set on fire?
    If this was just about a blowjob, it wouldn’t be international news! Look at the part where one of the guys sets the girl’s hair on fire….She is cowering and crying “Why are you doing this to me?”
    I am aware of media bias and things like that….hell I am a communications student!
    The reason it’s been taking a long time isn’t that this isn’t a cut and dried case…..it’s b/c they have to go through a fair trial and everything!
    The guys are clearly BULLIES….Hell, there was a report in the paper about an attack on a man by those boys (they tried to set his hair on fire)

  24. Realist – Thank you for your opinion.

    Everyone else – You and the rest of the vigilantes obviously have no real interest in the truth but only in believing what you want. You don’t know the facts but insist you do. I, however, know the truth, and no I will not tell you who I am only that I AM a 45yr old mother who, thanks to bigots like you, can no longer protect my family or myself. The boys and girl behaved in a very promiscous manner, one of which I don’t approve. The unfortunate part is that it was captured on video. I hope to God that nobody ever finds out her name or address and plasters it all over the net. Thanks to the bigots many families are in constant fear for their lives and have endured great costs. I know the true victims and there doesn’t need to be any more. Leave her and the boys alone. The police have everything under control.
    YOU ARE NOT JUDGE OR JURY!!!

  25. yeah…also someone who can’t spell “a lot” correctly. 45 year old woman…did you even finish elementary school? Oh honey…I doubt you would say all that crap if you were the one being gang raped. I don’t give a crap if the boys were just teasing or doing that stuff lightly. They still sexually abused her and humiliated a person’s self worth. You have no idea what that kind of hell is really like nor will you ever. Hmmm…and why didn’t these boys leave this girl alone? Maybe you should stop pointing the finger at us and take a good look at yourself. It’s people like you who don’t believe someone when they’re raped that prevents these victims from speaking out and taking justice to these malicious demons who only live to hurt others and have no conscience or regret.

  26. Yeah…also someone who can’t spell “a lot” correctly. 45 year old woman…did you even finish elementary school?

    Oh honey…I doubt you would say all that crap if you were the one being gang raped or if you had that happen to your child. I don’t give a crap if the boys were just teasing or doing that stuff lightly. They still sexually abused her and humiliated a person’s self worth. You have no idea what that kind of hell is really like nor will you ever. Hmmm…and why didn’t these boys leave this girl ALONE or the rest of the people in the DVD? Maybe you should stop pointing the finger at us and take a good look at yourself. It’s people like you who don’t believe someone when they’re raped that prevents these victims from speaking out and taking justice to these malicious demons who only live to hurt others and have no conscience or regret. You’re also putting the girl in the same position as these rapists, but I beg to differ. The girl is completely separate from these bastards and deserve to have no linking to them as if she was a “part” of this. This anguished girl and her family have suffered enough. It’s about high time that these boys and their families get a taste of their own medicine. After distributing DVD’s where they attacked and abused others, what you and these ignorants don’t know is that you have practically opened your doors to have the shit taken out of you by the rest of the world. “Listener”, there is no need for you. There are intelligent people out there in the world who won’t let history repeat itself over and over by letting rapists get away with what they’ve done by people like you who have defended these sick demons.

  27. I also noticed that you changed your stance from these boys “making a mistake” to doing no wrong and the “media” (yes…blame everything on them) not “telling the truth”. So which one is it, “Listener”? Please make up your mind so you can actually produce a valid argument for once. Funny…calling us “bigots”…Yup…sure can’t get worse than this, right?

  28. NO BETTER THAN HITLER…It is obvious that you are taking this very personally.

    Do you actually know anyone involved in this situation?
    Do you know the real facts or are you are assuming this story is being shown correctly?
    Remember, Today Tonight have re editing their footage to suit their story. You have only seen all the juicy bits strung together in a 30sec video. Any footage against their version has been removed. Today tonight also have a history of putting footage with other audio in the past so I have a problem believing anything they show once they have edited it.

    I can only assume by your constant hostile reactions that you really need counciling on something that may have happened to you or a close friend/family member.

    I can tell how you feel about rape itself but would love to have your opinion about people who cry rape but then we find out they werent.

  29. Oh, and Listener,
    Do you KNOW that the girl wasn’t MR? Do you actually KNOW the girl? Are you just buying into the excuses from the boys? Even if she was just mildly LD, what they did to her wasn’t something that was “just a prank” I hope that maybe it might not be what it appears to be. Sort of like mainstream media claiming that Jane Fernades wasn’t “deaf enough” (total and complete bullshit)
    to be the president of Gallaudet (the Deaf university here in the States)
    A blowjob is nothing…..It might have been gang rape, but she might have consented. I know when it comes to sex, a lot of people use it as a weapon. However you STILL haven’t responded about why the setting hair on fire and pissing on her was no big deal.
    I have heard about worse gang rape and sexual assault situitions. Like one where the girl was raped with a FULL SIZE bat AND broomstick. Just today I read about how a meth head raped someone with a fist, and a bottle that was used so violently that it BROKE inside her *shudders*
    But, that doesn’t negate the violence that was done to the girl. I’m slightly cynical, but I ALSO know that when stuff like this happens, a lot of people come out of the woodwork going that the perpetrators are still very good people.
    I mean I have been victimized by false accusations as well (campus soap opera shit) In my case it was “word against another’s” and the campus authorities were very prejudicated against me, so I got in trouble. BUT in this case, there was CONCRETE evidence. Seriously, how can you even begin to SUGGEST that setting someone’s hair on fire and pissing on them and throwing piss on them is just a harmless “he he he” style prank?

  30. Oh, and I have to say that I think what someone else hypothesized on another site is true. Someone mentioned that the Rwandian genocide thing was the result of sheep following extremely brilliant and charismanic sociopath leaders.
    Oh, and if they are good kids and this is really not a big deal thingy, then how come a lot of the parents were shocked and turned their kids in? How come there was a report in the media (print…..Austrialian Age…..read about it when I was searching for info on the case) about a guy who almost had his hair set on fire by the same guys?
    And, I do know one of the guys in the case. Although American, I have a friend from Austrailia. He said he went to high school with one of the guys, and Martin said that the guy was a HUGE bully.
    I really think some of the guys are total and complete sociopaths, and need to be put into a mental insistution for life. But I also think that the rest of the guys need to serve some time as well. I really don’t know. Maybe it IS media misrepresentation and sensationalism. Maybe not. After all, the police who saw the (UNEDITED by ANY newsshows trying to make a sensation) DVD said that there was nothing funny about it at ALL. We’ll just have to wait til they come to trial.

  31. I see that Deafgirl also has problems with her sight. I have explained enough about the current situation. I am only quoting the facts and will not respond about things I don’t know. So just in case you didn’t understand that it means I have spoken what is the truth. Yes I know the kids. Yes I have seen the DVD. I didn’t hear anything from a friend of a friend of mine.
    Now I have read your comments and have also managed to read between the lines. You have issues and obviously very serious ones at that. You’re the kind of person who probably would have taken their fight to the G20 summit this weekend had you been in Australia.

    NO BETTER THAN HITLER – ‘a lot’ ?? Is that all you can say??
    By the way you seem to be stuttering or just repeating yourself. Your name says it all though.

    I will pray for you both.

  32. Um no Listener…..I do not have sight problems. You just seem to be VERY evaisve about the actual violence done to that girl. So far your comments have only adressed the alleged rape.
    I’m not even talking about the assemblyline blowjob any more.
    That’s mild. VERY mild. Hey, I’m from America home of the Spur Posse and Glen Ridge.
    I had a feeling you did know the kids….but do you know the victim? Like well? She might not be MR per se but still, many “mildly” nerelogically affected kids (eg learning disabled kids, ADD, Asperger’s, mild cerebal palsy etc) have extremely poor social skills, simlair to those with MR. She might not have fully understood what she was getting herself into, and that’s why she “consented” That’s all I’m saying. I know a lot of nereologically affected kids (many mildly affected) and many of them might have been cajoled into “performing” just like this!
    Like the guys may have thought she understood more then she actually did.
    One of my best friends, is pretty good at “faking” being normal…..but I can’t tell you how many times she’s misunderstood something that seems pretty straightforward to me to or to others.
    A lot of mildly affected kids can fake it, but they still do make bad choices or misunderstand about basic stuff.
    I’m begining to wonder if the girl was just really mildly affected, and she’s just really good at faking it.That’s why this whole shit has come down…..a huge misunderstanding….not really someone crying wolf or a vengance trip. I mean why would the girl knowingly willingly cry rape? You can get into a heck of a lot of trouble for that! Maybe she didn’t realize what had happened to her was wrong so kinda held off on reporting what had happened. Not that unusual. Many if not most rapes aren’t reported to the police.
    I guess the comments are so vitrol filled b/c of the nature of the crime. Also in my case, I was severely bullied by
    very nasty guys, who held the pretense of being “good guys” I never went through something like this thank god….but it wouldn’t have surprised me if something like this would have happened.
    I have seen too many mildly affected kids be bullied and taken advange of. Maybe I am jumping to conclusions. But a lot of the stuff just sounds so typical as to what many if not most mildly developmentally affected kids go through.
    Oh, and have you not read what I’ve written? I am not totally demonizing the boys in the case.
    I just think that maybe the victim might just be really good at faking it, but still has significent impairments.

  33. Just wonderful. If you think relating her to someone who is a “mildly nerelogically affected kid (eg learning disabled kid, ADD, Asperger’s, mild cerebal palsy etc) have extremely poor social skills, similar to those with MR” would make her feel a whole lot better well you guessed wrong. But I will pass on your valuable insight into the whole subject to the police.
    You know when I first found this thread it scared me to death, then it made me angry and now I find it quite amusing to finally realise just what you’re on about.
    So, like yeah, no assault charges or rape charges to date. I know why and you don’t.

  34. Listener…
    It seems to me the only way to defend the boys would be to attack the girl and her reputation.
    Obviously the people you know who are involved have decided they have suffered enough and do not wish for the same suffering to happen to the girl.
    Is this your stance?

    Watching the different reports on the TV I noticed a switch from “disabled” to “Learning Difficulties” to “a girl”. So I would assume the word “disabled” was thrown out there for impact at the start and has now been removed (even though the original report is all over the internet).

    I also noticed the boys had removed their Myspace sites and other people reopened them with their own litle evil twists. People are assuming the boys have been saying nasty things since the event when really it is someone fraudantly doing it.

    There seems to be alot of gossip out there mixed with the truth. Like the second movie…the police cant seem to find it so does it actually exist? You really need to filter through the info out there.

    As I have said, I am waiting for the TRUE facts before I pass judgement. For now I will take a calm stance not an attacking stance.

  35. Listner, I was simply hypothesizing! I know that she got bad grades…..maybe she was extremely mildly effected. I know a lot of kids who weren’t dx as whatever til high school! You’re right…..I don’t know. But if things are so straightforward about the boys being innocent and her lying about the rape, then how come it hasn’t made HUGE headlines? Trust me……..I know how newspapers work, and those headlines WOULD sell a hell of a lot of papers. You seem only concerned with the alledged rape and promesticuty. I know there are teens out there who are very promescutius. This isn’t something new. Yeah, maybe the girl’s a slut……but you know, that is ALWAYS the defense in rape cases….”oh she consented…….oh she’s a slut!”
    If you don’t believe me, go and read “Our Guys” the story of the Glen Ridge rape.
    If this movie was so damn innocent then how come a bunch of the parents of the boys turned them into the cops?
    If it was straightforward, the news would be telling everyone. I’m pretty neutral right now on this case. I’m nautrally skeptical and cynical. Maybe this was just a bunch of dumbasses getting into dumbheaded mischef.
    But if this was so straighforward, then how come the guys were arrested? You can’t just randomly arrest someone. I know there are two sides to every story…..I really think you need to take a really good look at the sitution and be 100% positive that you’re not being blindly loyal to the boys.

  36. Deafgirl there are probably a million people with your attitude out there and I don’t even know why I’m bothering with even one but let me repeat there have been no charges which means nobody has been arrested. The boys were not handed over to the police. The parents discovered their kids were connected and the parents and kids decided the best thing to do was to cooperate with them. Thats it.
    The media will not change there stories after the excellent result they had with the original line they began and to change there story would discredit them.
    Deafgirl you are on a witch hunt and definitely travelling blind here.

    Realist – Yes this is my stance. I don’t think attacking her or her reputation will solve this problem. Well that’s just not me. She is also a human being.
    The internet crime police have been great in deleting pages on request. They do have the ability to prosecute those people but the families are not pursuing this at this point.

    The ability to comment anonomously has created a great sense of power over the internet I’ve come to realise.

    You see the police are investigating the police and the legal system will sort this out. But there’s something else happening at the same time called a WITCHHUNT and they have there own judges, juries and punishments unlike those of centuries gone by.

  37. Anyone else having bother with myspace or is it just my pc?
    Last couple of days it seems it wont let me download any song from anywhere.
    Anyone having same bother – or anyone how to sort it?

  38. Oh. Shut the fuck up. No one needs a person like you in this world who lets history repeat itself, and let’s disgusting irresponsible people live without a conscience or deserved punishment. What you DON’T UNDERSTAND is that these boys have done a GRAVE WRONG. They don’t deserve sympathy right now or any defense. They need to be beat up to become human beings for once w/ an actual conscience and WHY what they did was wrong. Why don’t you look into some rape cases where people have said the same exact thing you have, and allowed gang rapists into our society. Go fucking educate yourself.

    And “Realist”…you didn’t see their disgusting myspace pages before they were tore down, which I reported all of them. I believe one said in BIG BOLD LETTERS “I DO NOT REGRET MAKING THE MOVIE. SHE DESERVED IT. SHE WAS RETARDED. IN FACT IM GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER ONE! HAHAHAHA”

    hmmm…how are you going to excuse that? I’m genuinely curious.

    Oh, and no assault charges? Do you know why they are somewhat waiting? well, if you actually get up on your dumb ass and read the news you’ll see that they’re thinking of waiting till those rapists are 18 so they can punish them and accuse them to the full extreme, if you know what I mean.

  39. a…WITCHHUNT??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA….and you say the girl actually being gang raped is absurd???!!! You really are one fucked up person, you know that? And judging by everything you have said so far, you honestly don’t know ANYTHING about this event. I’d say you know less than you think that I know. What are you? A mother or friend of one of the rapists? aww…aren’t you proud of your wittle boys! they’re so famous these days!

  40. I’m praying to God that you get some help, Listener. really…my sympathies. I’m younger than you, but your days are numbered….*sigh*…how do you go on living and thinking like that for so long? I guess that is the difference between education then and now…

  41. NO BETTER THAN HITLER ..Boy do you have problems. You do not even know any facts but have made up your mind based on the a mix of fact and fiction. I don’t think YOU actually know any facts about this case.

    For your information I did see their original Myspaces. They closed them immediately and someone else reopened them in their names adding bullshit, they then got closed down a couple of more times before the Police got involved. What you have quoted is not the boys words, the sites were not theirs at that stage. You may have reported them but YOU did not get them closed down.

    To use your own words: I’m praying to God that you get some help, NO BETTER THAN HITLER. really…my sympathies. I’m NOT younger than you, but your days are numbered….*sigh*…how do you go on living and thinking like that for so long? (Your hatred towards people you don’t even know must fill your days and eat up any goodness inside you.) Why so much aggression? YOU do not know the facts…you are obviously using pent up aggression towards another situation and applying it to this.

    Since when does “a Beating” make you human?

    You say “Oh, and no assault charges….blah blah” Your assessment is not quite right, its an ongoing investigation…they wont press any charges until they have all the information. They are NOT waiting until the boys turn 18…that would be illegal and immoral. If they decide to try the boys as adults that will be a legal ruling.

    You say: “I guess that is the difference between education then and now”. What has education got to do with it?

    Every one of your comments is full of vile rantings. I really feel that there must be something in your past that is effecting your reactions. You really need to get some counciling.

    PS: Now I have answered your questions…I note that YOU didn’t answer ANY of my questions …hmmm…how are you going to excuse that? I’m genuinely curious.

  42. Nope. too bad. There’s nothing “in my past” that has led me to this. I’m very fortunate to live in such a safe and secure place where I know I am loved. Unlike you, it’s my ability to sympathize and feel angry w/ the girl who got raped that makes me “rant”. What do you have to say about the girl’s father who cried over this? How the do you think their family is right now and what THEIR feeling? Maybe your the one who needs a lesson in humanity. What the hell do U do for a living? U probably only selfishly live for yourself and your family like the boys did.

  43. Seriously, if ur too thickheaded to “read between the lines” of what I say, don’t bother reading and don’t bother replying. This isn’t about the myspace pages at all or who said what. I was only stating that because “Listener” said these boys were who had only made a simple “mistake”.

    Okay…fine, if ur such a “realist”, let’s see you try and excuse the fact that these boys were on a DVD that they made, ALL their faces showing and 12 of them ganging up and tormenting this innocent girl who had HER HAIR SET ON FIRE and URINATED ON. If your going to say that the girl was voluntarily in the DVD like “Listener”, this is what got me mad and “ranting”. What girl would consent to being treated like a piece of trash? If you think so, you are obviously not in that gender. Oh, if you view other clips you will see them acting as if they owned the world and tormenting other innocent people too.

    To quote “Listener”: “Nobody has even offered any suggestions as to how we make sure this never happens again. But I guess you would all suggest to execute every 15 or 16yr old who makes a mistake.”

    suggestions to not make this happen again? let me state for the final time…who made the DVD and who sexually abused and tormented the girl? It is people like you who refuse to believe the type of society we raise children up to be and that it happens in your own front yards. If this happened in another part of the world where the boys weren’t WHITE…let’s say Muslim, I dare say you would be saying the exact opposite and wouldn’t even think to say it was a “mistake”. Adults don’t realize that kids these days grow up in a different environment, and they are truly capable of bringing so much harm and damage to another.

  44. NO BETTER THAN HITLER- You like to attack don’t you? I have also grown up in a loving family who I am still surrounded by. I also have a good job but don’t really know why you would be asking about that.
    As for the girl and her family I don’t know what they are feeling. Sadness, confusion, guilt, could be anything based on what the facts are. And WE dont know the facts do we, so how can we make a judgement? True HUMANITY does not pick and choose. We are all human.

  45. NO BETTER THAN HITLER…I need to “read between the lines”?
    You gave me a direct question about the Myspaces and I answered it. And I will bother replying even though I know you won’t listen.

    Let me answer your next question and “try and excuse fact that these boys were on a DVD that they made”. I think it is obvious who was on the DVD but you do not know the circumstances that led to them being there. You do not know who really arranged what. You have only heard what the girl told her father and he in turn the media. Then you only heard what the media broadcast. Plus the only way to defend the boys is to condemn the girl. That is your style not mine. Tell me, do you actually know the girl, because what makes you believe she is so innocent? Why can’t she also be involved and just scared to admit the truth? We do not know the whole story.
    Your comment: “Adults don’t realize that kids these days grow up in a different environment, and they are truly capable of bringing so much harm and damage to another” This comment is true for EVERY generation in history. Do you think my generation was so innocent? Or my parent’s generation who grew up with war had it easy? We all had our issues.

    Also “Environment” changes from town to town, home to home. Therefore we all come from different environments. And if you really want to get deep…. Are we a product of our environment or genetics? This is still debatable.

    As for this generation, I consider myself fairly aware (but am learning all the time), my kids go to parties and I see things when I pick them up. So you should be aware that some girls these days are not so innocent. You can’t always blame the boy, that is an old fashioned view. I don’t know what is true.
    Your comment:”What girl would consent to being treated like a piece of trash?”. It happens all the time. Many girls and boys lack self esteem (all ages). I have grown up with girls who will do anything to please a boy. If a girl says “NO” that’s one thing, but what if the girl says “YES”. Is the boy then to blame?

    One thing I have noticed about this generation is the schools have tried to focus on building ones self esteem.(more than my generation)..Teaching kids their rights etc..but they have forgotten to teach compassion for others. So everyone thinks that not only are they right, they have a right to hurt others by expressing their feelings. A bit of compassion for others would not go astray.

    I just hoped you would open your eyes and see that this story is not one-sided. That this story may have been twisted to create a better story for Today Tonight. We have not yet heard the whole truth. There may be facts we are not aware of.

    A “realist” sees thing for what they are( without judgment). I try to be at least a realist if not an optimist. What I feel you are being is a pessimist. You are focusing on the bad side. There are a lot of “what ifs” to take into account.

    As I have said before, the police have all the kids computers, phones, etc.. They have all the info they need. If necessary they will press charges when they are ready. The law is a complex thing. And I thought in Australia you were innocent until proven guilty.

  46. Having read through all the above comments I find the most disturbing are those of Realist (should be called delusional).Any legal eagle knows that a Sexual offenders best defence is to say the victim consented. The next best thing to say is “i didnt do it”. Well ita all on DVD so they cant say they didnt do it….but they can say she consented.

    Unfortunatly the law is stacked against cases involving victims with social/intellectual issues and this one is surely going to be the test.Most people working in the area of sexual assault will tell you that getting justice for sexual assault victims is as hard to achieve as pulling a cat through a keyhole at the best of times. (Of the last 24 rape cases in the Warnambool Court not one conviction was given).

    The onus is always on the prosecution and victim to prove (as it should be) Unfortunatly in this case the victim appears to be either socially or intellectually challenged and under immense pressure and coercion from boys involved complied with their demands. Remember she did originally try to get away but the boys kept circling her. She gave in rather than ran. Poor girl, I doubt justice will be done in this case.

  47. OBSERVER, I am sorry my views disturb you. Maybe you know something I don’t. I have not seen any footage of the boys stopping her from getting away. I only saw the Today Tonight footage which is an edited rather short version. How do you know she originally tried to get away?

    I do agree with your some of your other comments though, it is hard to prove rape especially with such a long delay. But, I thought it was resolved that she only had a learning disability that put her a year behind her peers (less then many children I know.

    I think you find my views disturbing because you have decided the boys are guilty. I am still waiting to find out the truth. As I have said before the police have ALL the evidence, lets wait and see. I am not saying the boys are innocent or guilty. I just don’t think what people are saying and doing to people who may be innocent is fair. Two wrongs do not make a right. You are entitled to your opinion and I to mine. At least you didnt attack me for my views.

  48. two wrongs don’t make a right??? Finding Justice for this victim is a RIGHT not a wrong. Get your basic facts straight before you try to uncover the “truth”. The truth is already out there. It’s people like you who turn away from it because your too insecure about even expressing your opinion. If you think the girl consented and the boys have done nothing wrong, just admit it why don’t you instead of pretending to play the most realistic one in this when you are far from it.

  49. Have you never been a teenager or are aware of how much danger they are really capable of? You seem to think there was some other power or person who manipulated these naive little boys into making the DVD and SELLING it, need I remind you? Try to think…honestly, no grown up moron would do that and then put their names on the DVD’s especially when its being publicly distributed. Also, there was an article where a former teacher of the school described what these kids were likes…saying that the media portrayed them wrongly as “thugs”, but that YES indeed they were a little screwed up in the head and they were possibly the most destructive, stupidest bullies he’s ever seen and the whole school system was f*cked up. Since I seem closer to the age than you probably are right now, let me tell you not to underestimate teenage boys and be deceived by their youth. If you are a parent, then it is way too easy for you to be blinded in this way.

  50. Actually, if your a parent then my sorrows goes to your kids. I mean, if they were raped you’d probably go all “realist” on them and ask them if there was any case in which they consented/liked being tormented, and you would probably think that they also liked having their hair light on fire (woot! my face is melting!) and being pissed on since they were involved in it…I mean, they must have SOME blame right? There’s NO WAY it’s “one-sided”. People aren’t that EVIL or destructive or degrading to others, are they? Realist…read my title…from history to the present, you actually think your some kind of “realist” in the what really occurs in this world and I’m some kind of “pessimist”? I’m not judging. I’m only stating the truth of what occurred…being raped, pissed on, lighted on fire, and then humiliated by the distribution of all of this on DVD…I see you’ve avoided all these “one-sided” facts. Do you also believe the Jews at the concentration camp also had some blame in being degraded, starved to death, killed, put into ovens, etc? I mean, they consented to go to the places after all, didn’t they?

  51. NO BETTER THAN HITLER… You are a real sick person. You don’t know the truth cos you haven’t stated anything that’s remotely even close to it yet. You’ve only stated what you think you saw in snippets from Today Tonight footage and what you want to believe. I do know the truth and I have been in close contact with the police involved. They have everyone’s computers and phones and have copies of all dialogue between everyone. They have not had anyone press charges yet. I know it disturbs you to think that anyone could be a willing participant but just get over it. You are nothing but a trouble maker who makes up stories to sound like some kind of justice seeker. There are things going on at the moment that you would love to know but they are none of your business but they would sure make you look like the fool you are. When things are over and resolved I’ll enjoy shutting you up once and for all. In the meantime grow up and get over it.

  52. Listener…..don’t bother talking to NO BETTER THAN HITLER. She has her views and doesn’t care about the truth. All Boys apparently rape and all girls are innocent. Apparently she thinks she was there and knows exactly what happened so give up trying to open her eyes see that things may not always be that straight forward….I know I have.
    NO BETTER THAN HITLER…everything you say I am thinking is wrong…but I really don’t care about your narrow minded opinion anyway.

  53. But, I thought it was resolved that she only had a learning disability that put her a year behind her peers >>>> Only?
    You probaly don’t know too much about LDs….yes, there are mild ones, but there are also ones that can significently affect people. Like, you know how kids with cerebal palsy might have a normal IQ, but still be young for their age? A lot of LD kids can be really young for their age in the same way.
    Like I wonder if she might have given lip service to consenting, to this stuff but really didn’t understand what she was getting herself into. Maybe she was peer pressured into doing it. Like she thought that she’d be accepted by the boys or be one of the cool people in the school.

  54. Listner.. you keep saying you know the truth etc etc

    well where are your sources!! how about giving us some links

    wether the girl partly consented or not the boys are sick and should be punished

  55. Dear Guest

    My sources are the police and they reside in a really big police station DIM WIT!!!!!!
    Read my posts before you post.
    And as for sick people being punished I think you would do better with counselling.

    P.S. It’s none of your business.

  56. Listener, then how come THEIR side of the story hasn’t come out? Seriously………In almost every country you can sue for slander, when false allegations are pushed in the press. How come the girl hasn’t gotten in trouble for filing a false police report? I’m very neutral on this……I am not the No Better Then Hitler poster. I know there are false allegations made. I mean GOD…..a lot of what goes on in adolescents and young adults social lives, could make a pretty good soap opera. I know there are very immature people out there. But I also know that the first line of defense in cases like these is that “she consented”
    I also am pretty much a cynic. I know how bullies can torment their victims. Not just typical old name calling…..but honest to god INHUMANE bullying! And then the bullies just laugh it off as a simple prank. *hee hee hee!*
    Even if the girl consented to the blowjob, WHY would she consent to having her hair set on fire? Why would she consent to being pissed on? I gotta say………I think that those guys need intensive psychological treatment or a stint at a reform school or a behavorial mental treatment center. Really think that might be better then jail.
    I can’t even think why someone would think setting someone’s hair on fire is funny…..that’s just beyond fucked up. That’s even worse then the shit me and many of my friends who are learning disabled or otherwise developmentally affected, have gone through.
    Oh, and I gotta say………..looking at the way the victim carries herself, it’s obvious she has some significent developmental issues. Even with mildly affected people, you can tell something is off.

  57. Plain and simple. The truth is pretty boring and probably wouldn’t sell papers.
    Those that have been ACCUSSED of anything do not speak without legal representation.
    The press may still be dealt with after this is over regarding certain liberties they have taken.
    If there has been a report there would have been charges laid … to date nil charges.
    You all sit back and pass judgement and issue punishments based on lies.
    And please drop the ‘significent developmental issues’ when discussing teens ….. there are a fair number of them out there nowadays and its not an issue in this case.

    But let me ask this … what do you think of the harrassment that was dealt to innocent people who had there names, addresses, phone numbers, etc plastered everywhere with requests to pursue them and punish them in relation to all this?

  58. Actually no…..it wouldn’t be that boring. There was a fake rape case here in America, and when it came out, that it was fake it made headlines.(the Duke University case) I mean…..wouldn’t it be all, “This show made a HUGE mistake!” sort of scandel? Seriously………I’m a journalist and I know how the media works. You just have to come up with the right spin. Like get the REAL story out. I know how adolenscent’s lives are…….and I think the entire world understands that. Did the girl accuse them as a revenge thing? Why did the father speak out? Why hasn’t there been anything in the news about a recantion?
    I’m not surprised that you may have been the victim of viligante justice……but I think the public was extremely horrified at the pissing, and the setting hair on fire. If this had just been the Story of a Blowjob, this wouldn’t have made international news. I gotta say….I think that a really good idea might be to have the boys psychologicly tested. It could provide some good solid proof that they are OK people…..and it might maybe uncover any problems. Maybe this was the result of a bunch of basicly good boys, who were following a guy who’s not exactly mentally healthy …I mean SHEESH…..you imply that there’s nothing wrong with setting fire to someone’s hair and pissing on them?

  59. LISTENER…..BEWARE…You have experienced the twisted questions of Journalists. Say one thing and they will twist it mean another.

    Don’t reply…let it fade away if possible. I know you want this to just go away and not hurt anyone…including the girl.

    BIBLOPHILE is baiting you. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh………

  60. *starts to laugh*
    I’m not………I just really want to know why she sees pissing on someone and setting someone’s hair on fire as not that big a deal.
    If I recall correctly, there was an incident reported where a man got his hair set on fire by those SAME GUYS.
    Kinda says something about those “good boys” doesn’t it?
    I know how the media can really twist things……but the thing is……..how the hell can you show pissing on someone and setting their hair on fire, as not that big of a deal? I realize that the DVD probaly contained stuff we didn’t see………but I mean I just cannot see or imagine an innocent context of the pissing and hair burning. That’s like saying that there should be an innocent context of the Rodney King beating or of using an Iron Maiden (the torture device……not the band) Care to explain a little further about the pissing and hair burning?
    Oh and there’s been no charges filed? Not surprised……a lot of victims of this stuff go through recantions. It doesn’t mean that the charges are false. Like if the boys were popular or whatever, she may have felt pressure to withdraw charges.
    I’m cynical on BOTH sides Realist! I realize this probaly isn’t a black and white issue! I think this could be typical adolescent soap opera crap……but it could ALSO be something very serious. I don’t know the whole story…..but I do know that you don’t go pissing on people and setting their hair on fire for a joke.
    I am sorry that the boy’s families went through hell…..but you know what? It’s b/c the boys did something so horrible and so extreme, that the reaction is so extreme.
    I really think the boys really need intensive therapy if they think that pissing on and setting fire to someone is funny or just a prank.

  61. My bet is that the Sexual Assaault Charges will not be layed against any of these boys involved because the victim will back down. What girl (or family for that matter) would let their daughter experience the many seperate court cases to get convictions against the most coniving and nasty boys in this affair. The legal team for the defendants (especially if they are represented by the best) would make mince meat of the victim (it is their job to cast aspertions, weaken the victims resolve and destroy ant semblance of truth that would get their clients convicted).

    My bet is that the parents of the victim know this and if she does have intellectual delays or disabilities also know that she would only suffer more at the hands of a brutal legal system.
    Watch

  62. OBSERVER…Or possibly the boys were innocent of any sexual assault, therefore they wont be convicted….not really your business anyway.

  63. Realist, you still haven’t answered my question. Could it be that you’ve just convinced yourself that your good ol’ boys are innocent? What those guys did to that girl was just so fucking outragous……..and it wasn’t about any “rape”
    Seriously……….I know boys do stupid pranks……but pissing on someone and setting fire to their hair is not just a simple prank. Are you completely positive that you don’t have your head up your ass? Have you convinced yourself yet that it was all the girl’s fault?
    You just don’t get it………the sexual activity was NOTHING…Maybe they DID consent……but that pissing and burning was so fucking subhuman…..I mean it’s fucking sociopathic behavoir! What if they pissed on YOU and burnt YOUR hair? I’m sorry, but those boys need to be sent to a secure mental insistution.

  64. Biblophile … I’m guessing that you may have read somewhere that Elvis is dead and pigs could fly too.
    Until you can say you’ve seen the DVD and know everyone involved you will never have an INFORMED opinion.
    You’re obviously an opinionated trouble maker who doesn’t care about the real truth anyway. Your version is so much more fun for you and your righteous ways.
    Let me remind you that sexual activity is not a NOTHING, and that if someones hair was set on fire someone would have been charged with assault.
    You’re obviously a very worldly person and up to date on not only local legal issues but the injustices of the world all over.
    All would be more credible if you refrained from your explicits and suggesting that those that are trying to enlighten you get their head out of their ***.

  65. Listener, Ummmm the DVD CLEARLY SHOWED the boys pissing on the girl and using lighters to “flame” her hair……..How the fuck did they weasel out of that? I also believe that the boys tried to set fire to a man’s hair, right before this whole shit happened! Was the pissing and burning photoshopped or special effected? I mean there were PICTURES in FULL color of that burning, included in the articles!
    I don’t know the people involved, and I have never seen the whole DVD, but you know what? White boys get slaps on the wrists when things like this happen. Even if they are guilty beyond all degree!
    You’re just lucky that the boys are white and middle class. If they were minority and poor, they’d be in jail. How do we know that this isn’t just a case of “It’s OK for white boys to do this sort of stuff….it was just a prank. He he he!”
    You are misunderstaning me. I am not saying that the sex part of it, is nothing……I am saying that it’s relatively mild. Stuff like that has gone on for ages…it’s just that people were beyond horrified at the setting hair alight and the pissing on………Got an explantation for the setting hair alight and the pissing on?

  66. Bibliophile, I havent answered your question mainly because I couldn’t be bothered wasting my time.

    I actually wasn’t there so really can’t comment. But anyway…You don’t really care…so why bother. You just want a reaction and maybe more gossip to spread. Sorry…..

  67. Is the reason you’re not responding is b/c you don’t even have a good reason? Just as I thought……..it’s just a “Hee hee hee Boys are such pranksters!” case! No, I don’t want gossip to spread. I simply want an answer as to why you think that pissing on someone, pouring a cup of piss on them and burning their hair is such a mild thing.
    If this was a prank like…..kids egging someone or spraypainting something, I wouldn’t even be posting here.
    It’s just the “boys will be boys” reaction that a lot of people have to really extreme shit like this, that pisses me off. That wasn’t mild……it wasn’t a prank! Anyone who thinks it’s just a “hee hee hee” style prank needs to be sent to reform school!

  68. Just as I thought….. I never said I thought that pissing on someone, pouring a cup of piss on them and burning their hair is such a mild thing..you are putting words in my mouth…just like a journalist. I do have an opinion…(not that its your business) someone should not go to jail for this.
    And even though I don’t understand the behaviour I do know it happens in some circles. Some kids say its a joke..others ar disgusted. And to clarify…yes I dont get it either.

    And heres another clarification…I never said the boys are innocent or guilty. I am still open on the subject because I DONT have all the facts.

    And you think egging someone or spray painting is funny. I dont. It costs alot of money to respray an egged car and to get the dents out. Same with respraying buildings etc…

  69. someone should not go to jail for this.
    And even though I don’t understand the behaviour I do know it happens in some circles. Some kids say its a joke..others ar disgusted. And to clarify…yes I dont get it either.>>> Yeah, but knowing about it is far from condoning it. KKK shit happens, hate crime happens.

    And heres another clarification…I never said the boys are innocent or guilty. I am still open on the subject because I DONT have all the facts. >>>>> Good, good. SO we’re on the same track here? I don’t think that they should go to jail either …….but I do think that they definitly need to be comitted to a mental insistuion or something. There’s just something VERY fucked up…….Some of those guys have to be sociopaths or something……….

    And you think egging someone or spray painting is funny. I dont. It costs alot of money to respray an egged car and to get the dents out. Same with respraying buildings etc…>>>> Well I don’t either. I was just giving an example of something that would be considered “mild” prank behavoir.

  70. I know you want this to just go away and not hurt anyone…including the girl>>> Realist, how do you know this isn’t about people who have their heads up their butts? How do you know that the reason the boys got off isn’t b/c of a technicality? Yes, the boys could be innocent, but the way a certain person is reacting is just SO classic defensive.

  71. The boys have not got off. All will be charged with various crimes, starting from general assault through to more serious charges.

    The case will be long and drawn out.

    Fact; the girl involved was compliant and submissive because so mant boys surrounded her and intimidated her upon her arrival at the Train Station. She was supposed to meet a couple of boys she knew, but 13 showed up and corraled her to the banks of the river. At no time did she expect any of what did happen to occur. She was compliant because she was scared shitless and because the boys requests and intimidation happened so quickly and relentlessly (Its on the DVD for christs sake- both the released version and the longer unedited footage in the hands of the police). All will come outin the many court cases as so much evidence has not been revealed yet, including the before and after intimidation and trickery. The sto;en I pod, the transfer (extortion) of money by two boys in particular via mobile phone dockets, the disgusting and degrading messages left on her phone and it goes on.

    Expect charges to be laid very soon

  72. STAR NEWS

    DVD probe nears end

    By Ann Marie Angebrandt

    10th January 2007 08:44:32 AM

    ——————————————————————————–

    VICTORIA Police expect to lay any charges within the next two weeks over a DVD that documented the sexual assault of a 17-year-old girl.

    Detective Sergeant Jason Walsh of the Sexual Crimes Unit said the police were nearly finished their investigation and would soon hand over to the office of public prosecutions. Police will determine whether any charges are to be laid.

    Police have spent the past two months interviewing the 12 teenage boys involved in the DVD, and reviewing evidence on confiscated computers and mobile phones.

    The DVD, which was sold around schools in the West, showed the boys waiting for the girl at the Werribee Railway Station before taking her to the river bank and sexually assaulting and humiliating her.

    It also showed the young men, all aged 16 or 17 at the time of the incidents, throwing eggs at local taxi drivers, harassing a homeless man, and hoon driving. Charges could include rape, indecent and sexual assault, behavioural offences, and child pornography.

  73. I’m guessing that you may have read somewhere that Elvis is dead >>>> He is……..have you been reading the Weekly World News or something?
    Thanks to whoever is keeping us updated on the case. Listener, Gee I thought you said the police weren’t pursuing this? I’m still VERY skeptical on both sides. Just ask yourself if you’re not just convincing yourself that the boys are innocent when in fact they really at least need a stint in a reform school or military academy. You need to face the fact that pissing on someone and burning their hair isn’t just a harmless prank.

  74. Oh my God. Oh my God. I fucking GIVE UP! REALIST and LISTENER are FUCKING LUNATICS! Probably a family member of one of the boys involved. I mean…U call ME fucking DELUSIONAL??!! Both of you seriously need to be taken to a mental hospital. A blind person could see from the way things have unfolded that this was CLEARLY a case of sexual assault, bullying, and torment. You obviously need to brush up on your history if you think that all rape cases are false and none of the victims are real. YOU ARE the ones giving illogical conclusions and saying inaccurate facts, acting as if you are the “inside” source. And I also find it HIGHLY AMUSING how you’re avoiding the very same questions I’ve posed to you…oh yes, and what did you call it….”just a mistake”…and now you’ve gone from “completely innocent” and saying that the girl is lying about 13 guys…oh geez, I wonder what the motivation of a disabled girl is to go against 13 witnesses. And why don’t you EVER address the behavior of the boys against other people in the DVD, which is clear evidence? I guess you need more time to spew out more bullshit from your mouth, right?

  75. Realist: “As for this generation, I consider myself fairly aware (but am learning all the time), my kids go to parties and I see things when I pick them up. So you should be aware that some girls these days are not so innocent. You can’t always blame the boy, that is an old fashioned view. I don’t know what is true.
    Your comment:”What girl would consent to being treated like a piece of trash?”. It happens all the time. Many girls and boys lack self esteem (all ages). I have grown up with girls who will do anything to please a boy. If a girl says “NO” that’s one thing, but what if the girl says “YES”. Is the boy then to blame?”

    Oh yeah…you’re learning all right. You probably have like .000000001% idea of what goes on at your “kids” parties…and you base your petty ideas on what you think. Jesus Christ…your a parent…geez….”some girls these days”…UmMmMmmmmm….what about “some boys these days”…How many kids do you have? Eh….bet they’re all sons, right? I mean, geez….let’s go call all the girls sluts and all our sons innocent…I mean, that’s how it is in “this generation” right? hahahahaha….it doesn’t seem to me like I’m the one using some of my own experiences/frustrations and spewing them out here. Your saying “the boy” shouldn’t be guilty….so that means the girl must have said “yes” right?? Oh Jesus Christ, if you want to say you think the girl is a slut and guilty b/c u’ve grown up with girls like that, just say it. YES, girls do like being treated like TRASH and having their hair put on fire and pissed on like some tree bark. And no, I’m NOT putting words into your mouth (look at the exact words you’ve said, I haven’t touched it) Your one fucking coward and a hell of a snake (when you’re far from neutral) is what you are.

  76. And what do you mean “you can’t always blame the boy. that is an old fashioned view”…what the hell….have you even read last year’s comments on how there have been NUMEROUS rape/sexual assault cases where the girl was shamed and the rapist was let off because he happened to be some rich high school football star?! Everyone knew the rape happened, but the girl was the only one to speak out. Now…why would a girl go around accusing someone she knows she has little chance of winning against? Um….right, you can’t blame the boy so now who is to blame? Are you implying we should blame the girl now? I mean, you can’t exactly blame nobody now could you or else nothing would have ever come about.

  77. Listener: “Until you can say you’ve seen the DVD and know everyone involved you will never have an INFORMED opinion.
    You’re obviously an opinionated trouble maker who doesn’t care about the real truth anyway. Your version is so much more fun for you and your righteous ways.
    Let me remind you that sexual activity is not a NOTHING, and that if someones hair was set on fire someone would have been charged with assault.
    You’re obviously a very worldly person and up to date on not only local legal issues but the injustices of the world all over.”

    What the….fuck. Hello??? Hello??? anyone there??? *knocks on head* I have a question. Is it that fun arguing with baseless statements? It seems like you just want to go against the media consensus b/c you like being skeptical/paranoid in general about anything regardless of whether we might be right or not. Yup…girls getting raped and assaulted version is SOOOOOO much fun for us…yes, we all love a little rape here and there and love knowing teenage boys right in our front lawn are capable of doing something like this. Yup…we’ve raised this generation right. Go Parents!

    Have you even had a fucking glimpse of the DVD? Well, I HAVE (hahahahahaha…what are you going to say now? I must be blind? I have perfect vision fyi and no one hacked into my computer) and YES, they did set the girl’s hair on fire and pissed on her. hmmm…oh no….maybe I was slightly dizzy then…maybe it was like some sort of dog or monkey…oh geez…I can’t seem to remember. Oh maybe you’re right! I mean there can’t possibly be another reason as to why these boys got away with assault charges (the girl must be lying…she spewed the whole “they put my hair on fire and pissed on me” accusation. she’s a total attention whore and is trying to set in the new trend)….nOnOnO…The Law Never Fails!…..[even if they have clear evidence right in front of them *ahem*]

  78. These are my final words. I don’t need to say anything else. The truth will eventually be revealed whether it takes one month or 30 years.

    “The world is a scary place. Not because of the people that are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.” ~ Albert Einstein
    Now I don’t know about you, but I learned that A.E. is a pretty bright guy who sure as hell knew what he was talking about even if he was “old-fashioned”.

    Goodbye.

  79. P.S.

    [Realist: “Or possibly the boys were innocent of any sexual assault, therefore they wont be convicted….not really your business anyway.”

    “And heres another clarification…I never said the boys are innocent or guilty. I am still open on the subject because I DONT have all the facts.”]

    REALIST you have a REAL problem. It’s called saying something and then contradicting yourself and then making yourself look like a butthead a.k.a. BULLSHITING

    Told you this one was a snake…

  80. Well that was fascinating reading …. like the jibberish you would read from a munchkin. Yes you’re playing a game when there isn’t one to play and you attack to win but win what? You are obviously on some power trip to nowhere it seems. You need to get back onto your medication and calm the hell down before you bust a fuffer valve.
    It’s people like you that just make me shake my head in disgust.
    A.E. would be proud of me and that’s a fact but you are another story.
    Shame on you.

  81. I would like to know if NO BETTER THAN HITLER is going to turn themselves into the police for owning and viewing child pronography. I cant believe you actually went out and got yourself a copy of the DVD. You disgust me.

  82. Realist, maybe they saw it before it was labeled child porn…..after all this is a gray area thing….the girl was only one year away from majority age. Its not like it was prepubesenct or early-mid teen stuff. Listener, NBTH does have a good point… you aren’t exactly being honest or straightforward about the stuff you know. I’m very neutral on this myself, but I do think that you don’t understand that the reason people are so upset is b/c of the assault stuff. How is pissing on someone, throwing piss on them and setting their hair on fire “funny” or just a prank?

  83. Biblophile … never has anyone said that that is funny or just a prank. Not even the boys that saw it happen have said that. And if anyone thinks for a minute that they should have ‘dobbed’ …. please …. which one of them should have done that?? Yes it was wrong but how many 15 or 16yr olds do you know that would have rang crimestoppers …. or did they?? Do any of you even have teenage children?? I’m sure if you do, you’d think they would never have been one of those boys …. because these boys are so different from your own. Yeah right!

    These are the words of NBTH …Have you even had a fucking glimpse of the DVD? Well, I HAVE (hahahahahaha…what are you going to say now?.

    I find NBTH’s rantings very disturbing because of the likeness to vigilantism.

    NBTH says “What the….fuck. Hello??? Hello??? anyone there??? *knocks on head* I have a question. Is it that fun arguing with baseless statements?

    My statements are all based on facts.

    NBTH says “seems like you just want to go against the media consensus b/c you like being skeptical/paranoid in general about anything regardless of whether we might be right or not”

    The media in question is Today Tonight … enough said.

    We are all so quick to jump up and judge others.

    The truth will come out soon enough and its not my place to elaborate on the truth.

  84. Well I do remember reading in the coverage that some of the parents just saw it as no big deal, or just a “hee hee hee” prank. Oh so now you’re saying that it was a “reporting” thing? ANY one of them could have dropped an annoymous tip or something. I mean SHEESH!!!! It’s not like this was a “he said she said sort of thing” Sure they didn’t wanna make waves…..but come on! I mean I do think this was a “mob” mentality sort of thing. Maybe one of the boys is not exactly healthy mentally. I dont think that means that ALL the boys are at fault……..but come on. It was an assault! AN ASSAULT! They just stood there and laughed their butts off. I’ve experianced people like that too often….there’s gotta be something wrong with their emoitions. That’s just so beyond disturbing. And yes, the media was just Today/Tomorrow……..but how come the mainstream media picked up on it? They dont do that, unless it’s LEGIT! How come there was a police investigation?
    I gotta say……….I don’t think the boys should go to jail……but some of them are obviously really messed up!

  85. Point one;

    Listener says; Yes it was wrong but how many 15 or 16yr olds do you know that would have rang crimestoppers …. or did they?? Do any of you even have teenage children?? I’m sure if you do, you’d think they would never have been one of those boys …. because these boys are so different from your own. Yeah right!

    Sorry listener but having worked as a Youth Worker with disadvantaged youth for over 15 years my research tells me that most boys would have either walked away or spoken up if they were witness to a crime of this sort. This was a premidated assault by intimidation and most boys knew exactly what they were going to the Werribee River that day to witness. PS none have ever made a public, let alone private appology to the girl.

    Point Two;
    Listener says “My statements are all based on facts.”
    Whose facts, objective facts gained after sifting through all the statements from both the alleged perperators and victim, facts from the unedited DVD in police custody, facts from statements made by students who saw the making and editing of the DVD at their school, facts from kids who may go state witnesses against the alleged perpatrators, even facts from the parents of the alleged victim or are your facts just biased and subjective in any way? An earlier statement by Listener says “So, like yeah, no assault charges or rape charges to date. I know why and you don’t.” and” If there has been a report there would have been charges laid … to date nil charges.”

    Well let me advise you Listener in the most factual way possible; charges will be laid next week, so that puts a few holes in your factual argument…..hmmmm

    Point Three;
    Listener says; We are all so quick to jump up and judge others.
    Well lordy. lordy I’m sure I read Listener saying earlier that the so called victim was “just being permissive”.
    Lets leave this judgemental comment for the courts to decide. Whatever took place before (or after) this horrible event in no way affect the judgement our community or courts will place on the gravity and criminal behaviour of some of those boys on that horrible day. Justice will be done.

  86. 10 out of 10 for layout. And obviously very literate.

    If you are a Youth Worker you have blinders on and have no concept of what goes on in most boys or girls heads.

    You seem to know a little about what’s going on but not everything.

    You have, however, taken my words out of context which seems to be a common occurence for argumentative people.

    If you know anything about anything how in the hell can anyone apologise for something that happened like this did.

    When will people learn to mind their own business.

  87. You have, however, taken my words out of context which seems to be a common occurence for argumentative people.>>>>
    It really doesn’t seem like it. I haven’t noticed any out of context quotes or anything.

    If you know anything about anything how in the hell can anyone apologise for something that happened like this did.>>>>
    Well they COULD have apologized for setting her hair on fire and pissing on her. You just seem very angry that the boys got in trouble. I do remember you being angry at the villigantism going on. I can understand from both sides. They should have waited to see whether or not the boys were actually guilty. Then again……..the boys did do some pretty damn serious things……and sometimes it does seem like criminals have more “rights” then their victims.
    People in general are just really really outraged by behavoir like this. I mean………how the heck would YOU feel if the tables were turned and it was YOUR daughter who had been pissed on and her hair set on fire? I’m sorry……I just think that this was a case of extreme bullying, and that all of the boys who were there need a stint at a boot camp or a reform school.
    You just don’t seem to be very straightforward about this. You really seem be dancing around about this issue. Are you absolutly positive that you just haven’t convinced yourself that the boys HAVE to be innocent? Very common among relatives of people accused of very serious things.

  88. Point one; Listener says; “10 out of 10 for layout. And obviously very literate”.This seems like a subtle deflective putdown, but hey Im a big boy and can deal with the putdown. Its the delusion Im worried about.

    Point Two; Listener says; “If you are a Youth Worker you have blinders on and have no concept of what goes on in most boys or girls heads”. Do remember Listener; We are talking about a minority of boys, was it 12 or 13 and if my calculations are right there are very few incidents of Mob Bullying and possible sexual assault like this taking place today. Last time i checked the Juvenile Justice stats any way. Leaving the possible sexual assault aside I think most young people would be horrified to be placed in the same bag as these boys.Boys who are undeniably linked to the mob brutalisation of this girl.In fact my recent survey of boys in my town revealed that most thought the boys acted like absolute morons and cowards rather than your average teenager who tends to be more pro social and productively entertained.

    Point three; Listener you say “You seem to know a little about what’s going on but not everything”. Substantiate that and feel free to ask any question you like.

    Point Four; Listener you say; “If you know anything about anything how in the hell can anyone apologise for something that happened like this did”. Easy, you get your kid to appologise to the girl and her parents for what ever part they played in the event; the spitting, the intimidation, the lighting of hair, the doucing with urine, or anthing else they may have done before it goes to court. It will not only send a clear message of remorse but lessen their possible consequence in court.

    Point Five; Listener you say “When will people learn to mind their own business”.

    My reply; When boys like those involved in thios case allow girls to live safely in the community without the threat of intimidation and threats to their physical and mental health.

  89. Innocent bystander eloquently makes very good points here. I sincerely hope that charges are laid as soon as possible.

    Listener you seem particularly sensitive to the boys’ plight but not so to the girl.

    I have a younger sister who has a very, very mild developmental delay. Last year some young guys took advantage of her at the park. It was not sexual and it wasn’t violent but she felt completely violated. It took weeks to get her to finally tell us what happened – which was basically that they followed her home, locked her out of our house and stole her mobile phone. Honestly, the effect on her has been terrible and it has been absolutely horrible to watch her go through this – sometimes I wonder if she’ll ever get over it. I can’t even begin to imagine what it would be like if she had been pissed on, had her hair set alight, been assaulted, had it filmed, had it distributed in the neighbourhood, posted on myspace and then shown on national tv. My heart breaks for that girl and her family and I find it very, very difficult to imagine any sort of feasible reason why these young men shouldn’t be brought to task over what they have done to this girl and her family.

  90. Friendly Fire … Sensitive? I don’t think you’ve even thought about what this girl is about to go through when this goes to court. She won’t be charged so she won’t be protected by the law. And she’s an adult now. Her behaviour in the past will be discussed in depth and that’s not fair. She should be allowed to move on and leave the past in the past.
    The people that get charged are children.
    This will be a wonderful growing up experience.
    The children that made the mistakes should be counselled and educated.
    Maybe I should be the Youth Worker. There is a definite problem with our youth today and I don’t have all the answers but I will protect my own as any mother would.
    My point number whatever is after all this is said and done who will be the winner??
    The public it seems.
    Oh and the lawyers, cops and media.

  91. Point one; Listener says; “Her behaviour in the past will be discussed in depth and that’s not fair. She should be allowed to move on and leave the past in the past”.

    Has listener ever heard of cases where a woman (or girl) has consensual sex (perhaps twice with others) but then on a later occassion says “no” and is then intimidated into perfoming a sex act for the perverse pleasure of many by those she trusted. There are many precedents. Does listener know the truth or is hers a one sided version put forward by boys who got more manipulative and sinister in their sexual motivations as they gained the trust of the girl in question. Consent will be tested in court and put to scrutiny based on the events of the day not the girls past. Those days are long gone. The main problem will be wether the girl has the inner strentgh to live with the accusations and inuendo that will be thrown at her.

    Point two; Listener says; “the people that get charged are children.This will be a wonderful growing up experience.
    The children that made the mistakes should be counselled and educated.”
    No the children (young men please) who are charged, if found guilty of “serious” charges should receive “appropriate consequences” that match their crimes along with appropriate counselling and education. Consequences that reinforce the communities expectations that perpatrators of a crime receive some measure of hardship for the hardship they cause (ie community work putting back into society etc.}. No one wants those kids involved, who were there by mistake, at the wrong place at the wrong time to be punished. “Some kids” (maybe two or three) were obviously bystanders unable to comprehend or think of a way out of this. But the rest placed extroadinary pressure via intimidation on this girl to perform the sex acts. The DVD speaks for itself.

  92. Oh yes one more point; Listener says; “Her behaviour in the past will be discussed in depth and that’s not fair. She should be allowed to move on and leave the past in the past”.

    She was filmed on DVD and it was distributed by the boys inquestion far and wide, sold in fact. This girl has been labeled, clearly identified and has been humiliated in the most degrading way on video for ever. It will always be out there and you the mother of one of these boys want her to have the oopurtunity to move on. A bit bloody late i say.

  93. Listener, do us all a favour and don’t become a youth worker.

    Don’t pretend the reason you don’t want charges laid are for the girl’s sake, you just don’t want your son to have a record. Maybe you should have brought him up to have better moral judgement.

    You are the mum of one of those boys right? Because I can’t for the life of me work out why you’d be bothering to defend them if you were just another concerned citizen.

    Usually parents have ‘counselled and educated’ their children enough so they understand that WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG AND SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    Yes, your kid has sullied your family’s reputation, yes he’s brought shame and probably some fear (which I completely don’t support) to your family’s life but what happened to that girl and her family is much, much worse. These boys need to be dealt with by the law because it is very clear that their parents haven’t been up to the job.

  94. If a child does something wrong…should a mother abandon her child?

    Would you abandon your child if they make a mistake?

    Her child may be one of the bystanders who got innocently caught up in this incident.

    You are all so quick to judge and condemn….wait until you are in similiar circumstances before you speak. You would probably react them same. NO I am wrong, you would condemn the girl instead of feeling sorry for her because obviously your kids are angels and can do no wrong.

  95. Has listener ever heard of cases where a woman (or girl) has consensual sex (perhaps twice with others) but then on a later occassion says “no” and is then intimidated into perfoming a sex act for the perverse pleasure of many by those she trusted. There are many precedents. Does listener know the truth or is hers a one sided version put forward by boys who got more manipulative and sinister in their sexual motivations as they gained the trust of the girl in question.>>>>> Exactly……….or all those teen girls who have sex with guys b/c they’re afraid if they don’t, guys won’t like them? I really do think this case may have boiled down to this. Even teen girls WITHOUT developmental issues, feel societal pressure to just go along with the flow, and not complain. Do you remember what it was like in high school, when being “popular” was all that mattered?
    It’s quite clear that the guys USED this girl. Very classical sitution. Lots of times the accused in cases like these, are so drunk with power, that they think they can do whatever they want to people. One of my friends went to school with one of the accused……and guess what? Martin said that the guy was a HUGE HUGE bully! I am pretty neutral…..but this case is just really unwrapping very stereotypically. I understand the mama bear instinct….but COME ON!!!!
    Would you abandon your child if they make a mistake? >>>> blah blah, this is MORE then a mistake! This was full dead on criminal activity! Yes, you can still unconditionally love your child……….but, come on. The families of those boys need to get it through their heads that this wasn’t just “hee hee hee….stupid wittle prank that society’s making a mountation out of a molehill” There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the boys who did this. I dunno……maybe some of the family are too close to the source to see that their sons’ behavoir is just seriously, seriously messed up, and isn’t due to society overreacting, or to things like ADD or bipolar. There are some seriously VERY truely evil people out there. I’m not saying that this is along the line of Jeffery Dahmer or Saddam…….BUT it is a sign that something is very very seriously wrong.

  96. I couldn’t agree with Bibliophile more.

    No-one is suggesting that mothers abandoon thier children, they will need all the support they can get when this goes to court.

    But the part of this that has shocked people so much, is the pride that the boys took in these activities. Shamelessly recording, distributing and boasting about the degradation of this girl.

    Whether the girl continued to see the boys is irrelevant. What she has done in the past is irrelevant. What matters is that they were cruel, heartless and so full of confidence that they didn’t even bother to conceal their identities but proudly notched this up as some sort of achievement.

    It is very sick, sad and depraved.

  97. First off, let me just say that I have not seen this DVD all the way through, nor would I ever want to for (I think) fairly obvious reasons. Also I do not personally know anyone involved, and my knowledge of the facts is limited to extensive internet and news source research. All that said, I am an attorney and a reasonably intelligent human being, I work with with the developmentally disabled, and I have a rather extensive background in rape laws. I hope that information satisfies anyone who will feel the need to attack me for giving my honest opinion (a la some of the earlier posts in this discussion).
    1) The conduct of the boys in this video is morally reprehensible, even assuming arguendo that the young girl could and did legally consent. The boys should be ashamed, and the community backlash they are experiencing is, quite frankly, nothing less than they deserve. Absolutely no one could convince me that behavior like this, even if done “in fun” or in play, demonstrates anything less than a severe disrespect for women and a definite narcissism complex. So for the sake of those boys, I sincerely hope they get help – whether through the criminal justice system or by thir own means.
    2) Whether or not the young woman in this video actually did consent (and I’m thinking that it would be fairly difficult to convince a reasonable judge or jury that a developmentally disabled young girl in a remote location with several men shouting insults at her and calling her “the victim”, not to mention brandishing lighters, was freely consenting), the fact remains that child pornography is ILLEGAL, even when promulgated by other minors. So yes, the boys committed a criminal offense by filming and profitting from the sexual exploits of a minor. Period.
    3) I am aware that the girl “smiles throughout” the DVD and that she allegedly has attempted to remain in contact with some of the young men. This proves nothing in the way of consent from a legal standpoint. A smile is not legal consent, especially in situations of coercion. Furthermore, absued women often return to their attackers, be they husbands or “friends.” So too do kidnap victims often identify with their kidnappers, but we hardly claim they “consented” to abduction.
    4) I don’t know if a young woman can legally consent to having her hair lit on fire, but I have to guess not. I can’t legally consent to assault, it’s not an excuse to beat someone up and then claim they agreed to let you. Let me say this one more time for the cheap seats in the back: they lit her hair on fire. That is not teenage playfullness. It is not mutual sexual gratification. Be reasonable people.
    5) My final point is this: all too often the right explanation is actually the simplest one. Look at the dvd and ask yourself whether this is normal teenage behavior, whether a reasonable woman would have consented to this without coercion, and whether you think these boys would have tried this with one of their female friends, someone they respected? Unfortunately, I think the answer is no. This girl was, by all acounts, developmentally delayed to a certain extent (whether this reaches levels of retardation, I don’t presume to know), and the simple fact is these boys would never have attempted this unless they thought they could get away with it. They never would have assaulted a woman they believed capable of consenting or refusing in this manner, because they would have known that no woman would allow them to go this far. They took advanatage of a young girl’s vulnerability, no matter what the other circumstances. So whatever happens with the now-filed rape charges (and I have to say: about fucking time!), these boys clearly have issues they need to work out before they can become fully functioning members of society.

    I apologize for the rather long post. Also, just like to take a second to voice strong disapproval for the threats of vigilante justice being thrown around. Reminds me of honor killings and other such grusome acts.

  98. the boys r charged now .. And they are classing the case as child pornography well i guess it shows how people such as realist shoot there traps off before the case is finalised.. And say how wonderful hes mates are..lets hope when they goto court on april 27th the judge will find them guilty

  99. Hi,
    Just so you know…I am not actually one of the boys mates let alone a boy. I always knew there would be a court case and charges laid, and I never said they were innocent or guilty. And even though I never wrote it…I always thought they would get charged with child pornography too. BUT….I have always said that I would wait for the truth to come out.

    Exactly when did i shoot my trap off and say how wonderful my mates are?

  100. hey Realist remember this
    Jan 12th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
    OBSERVER…Or possibly the boys were innocent of any sexual assault, therefore they wont be convicted….not really your business anyway.

    Police and the DPP must be stupid to lay all these charges after viewing the evideence for 4 months because as you said and i repeat;
    Realist
    Jan 12th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
    OBSERVER…Or possibly the boys were innocent of any sexual assault, therefore they wont be convicted….not really your business anyway.

  101. i bet thosse boys will enjoy being gang-raped in jail by hairy-backed fuck queens…get some back boys

  102. No need for that mate; just appropriate and fair consequencesm if found guilty. Consequences that match the age and involvement of boys. These boys (if found guilty) will need serious practical help not bizarre condemation

  103. OBSERVER…Or possibly the boys were innocent of any sexual assault, therefore they wont be convicted….not really your business anyway.

    Yes thats right…it was said in response to someone saying they would be guilty and get off. The key word I used was POSSIBLY. I did not mean to say they were definately innocent..I meant possibly.

  104. LAW GIRL- I am not sure of the difference between a lawyer or attorney. But, if you were defending the boys what would you say as their lawyer? It would be interesting to hear how you would handle this.

    Please note: this is not an attack…I am just interested in your opinion as I do understand that a lawyers personal views are necessarily what they have to do in court. Its their job.

  105. Just as clarification – I live in the United States, and (here, at least) a lawyer is an attorney and an attorney is a lawyer. They’re interchangable, and don’t have to do with barrister/soliciter or anything like that. I’m a litigator – the practical equivalent of a barrister under the anglo law system, I believe.

    As for your question as to what I would argue if I were appointed to defend the boys, I can really only say this: in the US a lawyer has a duty to defend to the best of their abilities WITHOUT lying or misrepresenting material facts (and yes, cue the lawyer jokes, I realize some in my profession take undue liberties with “truth”). I don’t know enough about these boys to say what their best defense is. My post before was based on my personal understanding of the case to date and I have no access to the insider information possessed by those at the heart of this case.

    Let me just add as a quick disclaimer, this isn’t legal advice, and I certainly never intended to make determinations on the law of this case. Obviously the judge or the jury appointed to decide the case will make those decisions, and I’m NOT familiar enough with the facts to offer any opinions as to how the case should be tried.

  106. Hey LawGirl, what if the girl involved was simply very mildly developmentally delayed? Would that change your perspective of things? I gotta say………..I know how even “normal” teen girls can be.
    Hey Listener, thought that they were throwing out the charges? I really think you yourself don’t understand that even someone who’s VERY mildly developmentally delayed can somewhat “fake” acting not developmentally delayed.
    Even if she was only in a foundation maths class……..so what? A LOT of kids who are behind their grade level class, but normal IQ, have significent issues very simlair to someone who actually IS MR!
    I think too, that you don’t understand that a lot of teen girls just want to fit in and be popular. This can really set them up for abuse by popular kids. This is probaly exactly what happened HERE!
    I doubt this was a set up to get the boys in trouble or a media conspiracy. Yes, we realize that the boys aren’t Jeffry Dahmers……but something is very very seriously wrong here!

  107. Deafgirl … I never said they wouldn’t be charged only that the girl is not prosecuting. The OPP is prosecuting because of the public outcry because of the Today Tonight report. Plain and simple. Fact.
    And what’s happening to Today Tonight lately.
    And now you are saying that the boys were set up. That she faked everything. You are truly wise.
    Its actually not even about her anymore. Its about pleasing the public. Are you all pleased?
    You obviously have no idea what the charges are truly about.
    Just for the record I am not a mother of a charged boy so leave that theory alone.
    Lawgirl … your opinion was an informed one? For someone who works in the business you aren’t very lawful.
    Please drop the MR angle. Its been over used.
    I promised myself not to read this anymore but you all frustrate me so much. You’re all ignorant. Not one of you even know who you are talking about.
    Oh and again just for the record I have never condoned the actions of the small portion of the DVD you are all discussing.

  108. Listener, I’m extremely sorry you felt the need to go on a personal attack. I wish you’d also bothered to read what I said, i.e., that my opinion was based on my own research, not on inside informtion. I rather resent the implication that I’m not “lawful” (I assume you mean law abiding?). In fact a lawyer is perfectly able to give a personal opinion in a public forum, and I did even add the disclaimer that it wasn’t legal advice. Really, would you have anyone who works in the legal profession silenced in any capacity outside of court? I never so much as mentioned your name, so try not to take EVERYTHING as a direct attack on your position. Maybe even attempt responding to people with rational arguments instead of wild accusations about them being “led on my the media” and somehow happy about what has happened. It’s sick to think that anyone would be happy about any of this.
    Want to hear another one of my personal (and completely lawful) opinions? These boys need serious help. No matter what this was, behavior like this is WAY outside of the normal range of teenage mistakes. We’d all be safer in a world where kids were taught right from wrong, and especially that even playing at serious torture for the cameras is absolutely inexcusable. My guess is that one of the reasons people are so worked up over this is that they’re scared of what it implies for today’s youth, as in “are we raising a generation of boys who think they can get away with dropping flares on homeless people and seemingly attacking young girls?” If I were the parent of one of these young men and I truly wanted the outcry to die down, not to mention I wanted to ensure my child avoided this trouble in the future, I would sign them up for some hardcore counseling. Again, just my opinion and not at all meant to insinuate anything about Listerner, her role in this entire debacle, or any legal conclusions as to the boy’s guilt or innocence.

  109. Listener you are such a bullshit artist…..You say “I never said they wouldn’t be charged only that the girl is not prosecuting. The OPP is prosecuting because of the public outcry because of the Today Tonight report. Plain and simple. Fact.”

    Real fact;
    The girl involved has been involved and consulted re the charges being laid. She has and her family have been consulted at every step of the way and even knows that a lot of “shit” will be thrown at her during the case. But one thing she is sure about is that what happened on that day was wrong and that she felt powerless to get away due to intimidation. It will all come out in the wash and your cries of “you dont know the truth” will once and for all be tested for their intelligence and validity. So please give your biased opinions a rest, stop slurring the girl and wait like the rest of us to see justice uncovered.

  110. Hey listener I know what the charges are;

    Sexual assault by intimidation.

    Is that plain and simple enough for you. All the evidence collected over five or so months by police must count for something hey what.

    Or maybe the police believe she faked it too and loike the OPP are just pressing charges to boost chanel sevens ratings. Oh really come on.

  111. I never said they wouldn’t be charged only that the girl is not prosecuting. The OPP is prosecuting because of the public outcry because of the Today Tonight report. Plain and simple. Fact.>>>> Gee what a fucking surprise….
    Maybe she’s afraid of retailation…….maybe she’s afraid that the boys will get off. Maybe she backed off b/c the boys claimed consent. Maybe she knew how rapists get off with slaps on the wrist. Her father seemed rather upset….very surprised HE didn’t push charges.
    And now you are saying that the boys were set up. That she faked everything. You are truly wise.>>>Ah no………I was saying that this WASN”T some grand conspiracy. This was not a he said/she said thing. The DVD CLEARLY shows the physical assaults!

    Please drop the MR angle. Its been over used.>>> Ummm, NOBODY has been talking about MR. Yes, the girl probaly isn’t MR, but developmental delay can also mean stuff like learning disabilites or Asperger’s Syndrome. I’ve had experiance with that population…….and trust me their social issues can be pretty bad. Hell………even a typical teenage girl can almost seem “developmentally delayed” if she’s been socialized to just accept things and go with the flow.
    I promised myself not to read this anymore but you all frustrate me so much. You’re all ignorant. Not one of you even know who you are talking about.>>> So why not tell us how YOU see things? You just seem to be dancing around this issue. You really really do seem to be charteristicly reacting just like EVERY family member of an accused person. (oh they are a good boy. It’s just a conspiracy)
    Oh and again just for the record I have never condoned the actions of the small portion of the DVD you are all discussing.>>>> So why are you defending the boys? Seriously……..If they did something like that as KIDS, they really really need to be put in an insistuion for the criminally insane!

  112. If You guys would like to know, As the media Does, It’s BIAS, That DVD, “Cunt the Movie”, It is a DVD with 90% Bike Stunts, Tricks, ETC, Just like the Crusty Demon DVD’s, its Exactly the same. In my own view The Girl Didn’t get abused, I Personally know the kids involved, allthought I dont talk to them anymore, due to the fact of all of this crap, That girl was not Mentally disabled, The way the news portrayed her, It was like she was in a wheelchair, I can tell you thats not the case at all. She was “Slow”, the Kind of “Slow” Paris Hilton is. Im not defending these boys, but rather giving the other side of the story!

  113. Hmmmm another deluded excuse maker on line. Who probably wasnt there (in fact definetly wasnt there) and who definetly needs to go back and reread all the previous posts if she wants to be taken seriuosly on this subject.

    But hey you cant help but admire these excuse makers and friends of the DVD makers their real triers.

    Lets see how this all stands up in court hey.

  114. Giving the other side of the story heh.
    More like bullshitting. You dont know the girl, never did and are only giving third hand accounts as told to you by the now “officially charged” boys.

  115. Hey Rather Mot Release
    How about you tell us all exactly what happened then seemimg you know so much. And how dare you compare the victim of this crime to Paris Hilton when you do not know her. Are you a registered psychologist qualified to put that sort of label on the girl? I dont think so.
    People like you make me sick with your half baked assumptions.

    You say 90% of DVD was just bike stunts etc. Well get this into your thick skull…..10% was totally offensive pornography and horrendous physical and sexual abuse of a young girl. A young girl conned and manipulated as soon as she got of the train that day.

    The charges say it all…..sexual penetration by intimidation.

    PS maybe the following case reported today in Sydney rings a few bells
    ‘Cards led to filmed gang rape’
    David Braithwaite | April 4, 2007 – 6:00PM

    Two of five 17-year-old boys arrested for allegedly gang raping a teenage girl and filming the attack on a mobile phone were refused bail in court this afternoon.

    The pair, who have been accused of aggravated sexual assault, were remanded in custody until May 31 at Parramatta Children’s Court.

    In a police statement tendered to the court, it was alleged that the 17-year-old female victim received a phone call from one of the boys on January 9 inviting her to a friend’s home.

    She arrived at the home in a car at 11pm with three boys and joined four more boys inside and they played cards and drank alcohol, say police.

    The victim said she had four drinks in quick succession before becoming too drunk to recall anything after that.

    Later in the night, she was taken to a bedroom and put on a bed, where her denim skirt was hitched up and her underpants removed, the police statement said.

    One of the boys in court today allegedly then had vaginal sex with her and the other began filming it on his mobile phone.

    While the boy recorded another boy climbed onto the victim’s face and performed a sex act, say police. The victim could be seen on the video trying to push the boys away and get off the bed.

    While the boys were assaulting her, other boys could be heard giving encouragement and laughing in the background, police allege.

    One was heard saying “Put it in” and another “f— her”.

    Police say one of the boys then appeared to break wind on the victim, saying “get that into ya” before giving another boy a high five.

    The victim is then heard screaming when she is slapped on the lower part of her body.

    The police statement says she was then taken home and lifted from the car and left outside her front door, where her mother found her, incoherent and without her underpants.

    When she awoke, she said she had no recall of the previous night’s events, the police statement said.

    The police version of events goes on to state that, four days later, the boy who allegedly filmed the assault asked the victim to go to a friend’s house and she agreed.

    She and a female friend were talking to a group when the youth took out his phone and showed her the video.

    She became upset and left shortly afterwards. Police say she didn’t report the incident out of fear.

    They said in February the video was forwarded by Bluetooth to a number of students at the victim’s school.

    The footage was seized and police were notified.

    Police say the girl had shown “enormous courage” in the face of threats to come forward over the attacks.

    Liverpool Local Area Commander, Detective Superintendent Mick Plotecki warned that any further circulation of the rape video could result in a three-year jail term.

    “Anyone who has a copy of this video who publishes it in any way, including forwarding it to other individuals via mobile or internet is committing a serious offence under the Commonwealth Criminal Code,” he said.

    The top priority for police was to stop the circulation of the video, a police spokeswoman stressed.

    “There are ongoing investigations to trace who had that video and who forwarded it on,” she said.

    “Prosecution will follow if we can identify persons who have forwarded that video, either by the internet or mobile.”

    The five alleged attackers were arrested at homes in Green Valley, Kemps Creek and Miller in Sydney’s west during the course of the day.

    ‘Cards led to filmed gang rape’
    David Braithwaite | April 4, 2007 – 6:00PM

    Two of five 17-year-old boys arrested for allegedly gang raping a teenage girl and filming the attack on a mobile phone were refused bail in court this afternoon.

    The pair, who have been accused of aggravated sexual assault, were remanded in custody until May 31 at Parramatta Children’s Court.

    In a police statement tendered to the court, it was alleged that the 17-year-old female victim received a phone call from one of the boys on January 9 inviting her to a friend’s home.

    She arrived at the home in a car at 11pm with three boys and joined four more boys inside and they played cards and drank alcohol, say police.

    The victim said she had four drinks in quick succession before becoming too drunk to recall anything after that.

    Later in the night, she was taken to a bedroom and put on a bed, where her denim skirt was hitched up and her underpants removed, the police statement said.

    One of the boys in court today allegedly then had vaginal sex with her and the other began filming it on his mobile phone.

    While the boy recorded another boy climbed onto the victim’s face and performed a sex act, say police. The victim could be seen on the video trying to push the boys away and get off the bed.

    While the boys were assaulting her, other boys could be heard giving encouragement and laughing in the background, police allege.

    One was heard saying “Put it in” and another “f— her”.

    Police say one of the boys then appeared to break wind on the victim, saying “get that into ya” before giving another boy a high five.

    The victim is then heard screaming when she is slapped on the lower part of her body.

    The police statement says she was then taken home and lifted from the car and left outside her front door, where her mother found her, incoherent and without her underpants.

    When she awoke, she said she had no recall of the previous night’s events, the police statement said.

    The police version of events goes on to state that, four days later, the boy who allegedly filmed the assault asked the victim to go to a friend’s house and she agreed.

    She and a female friend were talking to a group when the youth took out his phone and showed her the video.

    She became upset and left shortly afterwards. Police say she didn’t report the incident out of fear.

    They said in February the video was forwarded by Bluetooth to a number of students at the victim’s school.

    The footage was seized and police were notified.

    Police say the girl had shown “enormous courage” in the face of threats to come forward over the attacks.

    Liverpool Local Area Commander, Detective Superintendent Mick Plotecki warned that any further circulation of the rape video could result in a three-year jail term.

    “Anyone who has a copy of this video who publishes it in any way, including forwarding it to other individuals via mobile or internet is committing a serious offence under the Commonwealth Criminal Code,” he said.

    The top priority for police was to stop the circulation of the video, a police spokeswoman stressed.

    “There are ongoing investigations to trace who had that video and who forwarded it on,” she said.

    “Prosecution will follow if we can identify persons who have forwarded that video, either by the internet or mobile.”

    The five alleged attackers were arrested at homes in Green Valley, Kemps Creek and Miller in Sydney’s west during the course of the day.

  116. In my own view The Girl Didn’t get abused, says Rather Not Release.

    Yep its allright to light someones hair, spit on them, urinte on them, throw their clothes and school bag in the river and perhaps even sexually assault them as long as you done abuse them.

    I get ya drift oh wise one.Maybe you could get up in court and be the boys first witness oh wise one.

    I can see the headlines now.

    “Witness who wont even speak to boys now after what they did gives evidence to set them free”

    Yep thats a real deluaion.

  117. A 17yr old girl goes out with 3 boys at 11pm at night,to a house with 4 more boys, has 4 drinks in quick sucession….

    Should we be educating our daughters on what is not a good situation??

    I have told my daughter to hold her drink in her hand in front of her all night. If she puts it down, even for a second, don’t drink it again…just throw it away.

    Anyone else got any good advise?

  118. realist………I gotta say that SOME women really lack a lot of common sense. I’m not saying that they “cry rape”…….but SHEESH! Use your brain! Don’t be all dumbass blonde or whatever!

  119. Deafgirl …. are you on a mission to insult everyones intelligence? Realist was making a valid point without insulting anyone. You are oh so worldly and righteous.

    Deafgirl ….. Do you understand what bitter, hateful people with despicable misanthropic opinions are or do you only understand cursing and swearing. Here, one of the so-called worst traits of humanity are worshipped and placed upon a pedestal. You, who mocks faith and optimism, here you are called. Share your anger, your hate and disgust so that we may better understand these dark feelings.
    Your purpose here is to flame and be flamed. You will attack any vulnerable point you can find, and nothing is held sacred here.
    You don’t care to know the truth nor will you believe it.
    You don’t know what happened one afternoon in June nor how it happened and nor do you know how this girl or boys felt about it afterwards.
    For those that don’t know who Jeffrey Dahmer is he was an American serial killer who murdered 17 people from when he was 29 to 31. His murders involved gruesome acts of necrophilia, dismemberment, and cannibalism.
    How on earth could you liken him to all of this??
    My reason for posting here is because I feel these boys do not belong in a mental institution, they don’t need to meet Bubba, they don’t need to be set alight, they don’t need to be urinated on, they don’t need to be raped, they don’t need to go to jail and they don’t need anymore of this crap.
    They will be dealt with by the appropriate people being parents, law etc. These boys have never done anything either before or after this incident you would deem inappropriate.
    But you probably know or believe otherwise.
    That’s why I post. I have answered you.

  120. Deafgirl, I really don’t understand your response to my comment.

    I was only commenting on how we need to educate our daughters on what is a safe situation….to protect them. Don’t you think that is important?

    And as I have a daughter I would actually like advise on how to protect her and still let her have some freedom. Like the drink thing I explained. Until someone told me how easy people spike others drinks, I had not given this advise to my daughter. Now she knows.

    I am not attacking the girl in that story, just saying that to me she put herself in a dangerous situation and I hope my daughter never does that.

  121. I would also like to add, most kids are invincible (it will never happen to them). You can try and teach them safety, right from wrong etc… but how do you get the message thru.

    Any serious advise? Or does everyone only want to attack and not help stop these types of situations. It is easy to be part of the problem…not so easy to be part of the solution.

    I would like to see something positive arrive from these events.

  122. Appropriate and age related consequences if found guilty, no more no less. To send a strong message to young men that this sort of behaviour is not going to be tollerated in our community….period.
    No excuses….You do the crime you pay for it.

  123. Listener you say : My reason for posting here is because I feel these boys do not belong in a mental institution, they don’t need to meet Bubba, they don’t need to be set alight, they don’t need to be urinated on, they don’t need to be raped, they don’t need to go to jail and they don’t need anymore of this crap.
    They will be dealt with by the appropriate people being parents, law etc. These boys have never done anything either before or after this incident you would deem inappropriate.

    Listener, that young girl also didnt need to be set alight, urinated on, raped nor does she need anymore of the crap.

    You obviously didn’t think your son was capable of this kind of behaviour – how can you be sure he hasn’t done anything like this before? And thank Christ they were all caught or the behaviour would have only escalated. I wonder what YOU would deem inapporpriate? You seem to feel that the furore over these cowardly, bullying, revolting and criminal boys is unfair on them???? Too bad if THEY don’t need anymore of this crap, they brought it on themselves when they chose to intimidate, overpower and assault a young girl. No-one wants to see vigilante behaviour but I think the majority of us want to see these boys dealt with severely by the law and to get criminal convictions.

    The most positive thing that can come from this event is if parents take the time to talk about it with their children. Teach their sons to be respectful of all humans, teach their daughters to be careful, teach their children not to succumb to peer pressure and teach them that seeking to be a celebrity is a vacuous ambition.

  124. Friendly Fire ….You really don’t read posts to check on your info otherwise you would have realised my children are not involved so stop accusing people falsely.
    And I’m guessing you didn’t understand a word of my most recent post which wouldn’t surprise me either but you can now place yourself in that category alongside many others here.
    A very small part of the dvd is very inappropriate .. I have always said that.
    How old are you??????
    You are talking about children for Christs sake!!!
    If you know anything about the case then you may even know that the girl could be charged but that won’t happen.
    These boys have learnt their lessons trust me.
    I would like to teach another lesson though to all the bigots who throw stones when they themselves have skeletons they have forgotten about.
    All so perfect and never sinned or broken the law.
    Have none of you ever made a mistake or seen or known of one? How would you be dealing with this if this was your sister, brother, son, relative or best friend?
    The more people I talk to about this the more support I receive.
    Please read my previous post and hopefully it will help you have a better outlook on life and those around you.
    I know I am alone here but I pray for you all.

  125. brendan thompas aka biccy brendo the one who lit the girls hair on fire and one of his mates dean Fleming aka DEANO. severely bashed two men down werribee river before fleeing with there items. One of the men suffered severe facial injuries whilst the other was knocked unconscious. I do not no the boys personally but have heard stories and this is not the first time that they have done this. Both boys should be approached with extreme caution

  126. Speach … Not suprising how much courage you have in detailing other peoples names and not have the courage to detail your own. Anonimity is a wonderful and powerful thing.
    That’s why nobody would believe you.
    The ones that do …. well …. enough said.
    Ever the story of the gingerbread man??

  127. Speach… I would assume if this is true that the Police have been informed and charges have been laid. Otherwise it is most probably another rumour.

    Isn’t it easy to make fiction a fact on the internet. Just put it in writing and then its true.

  128. Listener/Realist (I’m guessing one and the same)

    If you have no relationship with these boys why are you SO intent on defending them so much?

    Why should SPEACH say who he/she is, you don’t?

    What about the second DVD with the boys pissing in people’s kettles as they ransacked their houses. Or is that another case of ‘You don’t know anything. The real truth will come out.’

    The more people you talk to the more support you recieve…?

    WHAT? What do you need support for? You don’t even KNOW these guys. You’re supposedly just a bleeding heart for some boys who made just one mistake…

    Sure, I agree we have all sinned, but it is a very small percentage of people who have done what these boys did – even JUST ONCE. What they did was bad enough but they clearly planned to get her down by the river for something didn’t they?

  129. For the record, I am not Listener.

    And I am not spreading stories about anyone like Speach has.

    I could tell you some things I think I know, but then I would be as bad as Speach. If what Speach says is true, that two boys did that to two men, wouldn’t there be charges laid? Speach may truely believe what she heard was true…just like everyone else. Unless you have hard evidence in your hand who knows what the truth is. I do know for a fact that the Police are lying to people, so why not anyone else.

    I have heard lots about the boys AND the girl. Why spread more rumours? I couldn’t do that to them. They have enough going on in their lives to deal with as is.

    If you know a fact that can be verified, go ahead and state it, I only defend what I assume may be lies and ask people to justify their statements so I can work out the truth.

    By the way, as far as I have heard, the second video is not related to these boys. Remember too, that we are talking about approx 8-12 different boys (depending on whose facts we are going by), so if someone can prove me wrong, please do.

  130. Friendly Fire … You make me so angry but I refrain from insult. You are obviously a random reader because you read only what you choose.
    1. I am close to many of the boys involved.
    2. I may be defending the children but I am more into protesting against attitudes similar to yours.
    3. I would never name people here unless I had the guts to put my own name to it.
    4. If there is a 2nd DVD showing illegal actions and you know about this why have you not reported it to the police or are you now a criminal who should be punished.
    5. The support I receive is for my views.
    6. You don’t even know how this all came to be apart from what you have read or heard.
    7. I have always said that those that made mistakes will be dealt with by the appropriate people.

    With all that is happening of late with our youth do you honestly think they all realise the repercussions of what they do.
    The kids now sit infront of a keyboard 24/7 and play mind games and power play with each other.
    Who can scare who the most?
    Who can shock who the most?
    Who can out do the other?
    Open your eyes.
    From the DVD to Xavier to Jodie & Steph etc.
    What do they all have in common?
    87% of teenagers between 12 and 17 are now online.
    I don’t care what anyone says but I think that’s where the real problem lies.
    Like I have said before your purpose here is to flame and be flamed. You will attack any vulnerable point you can find, and nothing is held sacred here.

  131. Listener,
    your comment a few posts ago “If you know anything about the case then you may even know that the girl could be charged but that won’t happen.”

    Watch what you say. The police can trace your website through these pages and I for one know that is the biggest defamatory lie you have told so far.

    I have read the police brief of nearly 1000 pages that resulted in the boys being charged and i can assure every one who visits this site that what you speak about in your posts is so factually wrong that it makes your story look like a page from a bogon tabloid.

    Yes the girl was naive, yes she had complied with two earlier requests for intimacy with some of the boys, but on this particular day in question there was a set up and now there are now two prominent witnesses that will testify in court that when she got off the train that fateful day to meet a couple of boys and was quickly corralled by 12 or so she tried to get away. There are witnesses who will testify that she was continually herded and intimidated across the road and into her harrasment. Psychological reports will show that her intermitant giggles during her worst treatment by the boys were a defence mechanism to protect her.

    Listener, I tend to think that the court case will be very harrowing for all involved, it may even go against the girl at the end of the day, but i doubt it after reading the brief. But one thing is for sure. at no time have the police considered charging her…….

  132. Listener,

    you acuse others of being cowardly in their postings but never the boys involved in this case.

    A big big flaw in your biased critisisms of others.

    By the way i havent read many supportive posts for you in the 147 so far other than “realist” so dont bullshit about that either.

  133. Innocent Bystander … how is that comment defamatory? I won’t explain my comment any further because you will take it out of context.
    I HAVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER STATE ANY FACTS therefore none of my comments are factual. I know exactly where I stand with the law.
    I have never said a ‘he would’ or ‘she would’. You on the other hand are doing something very illegal in commenting on a case which is to be heard before the Childrens Court. Who is treading thin ice now.
    You fail to read between my lines. My comments are heartfelt. I have never stated anyone to be neither guilty nor innocent as you do because that is not for me to comment on.
    I have however always stated that a few boys have made errors of judgement in this case.
    I am fully aware of the police being able to trace people through this site, I have stated that in my posts as a warning to those that cyber threaten people. I have had discussions with a member of the force who is actively involved in making our youth more aware of the traps of the internet chatting scene.
    You are another flame thrower and I am obviously a bogon.

  134. Bling … Why would I call the boys cowardly?
    Again, as I’ve said many times already, they have made an error of judgement, been told it was wrong, have handed themselves into the police and now await to be dealt with.
    A coward is one who names people publicly and doesn’t put their own name to it. Similar to throwing stones.
    This is so funny its ridiculous … you think people use this site to support others??
    Where??
    And Realist has similar comments to mine maybe because they have some empathy for our youth.
    Not surprisingly have any comments here been along the lines of ‘how did this happen?’ and ‘how do we make sure things like this don’t happen again? apart from blaming parents.
    This is the kind of support I talk about and what people need.
    This is obviously the wrong kind of site.

  135. Listener,
    just for the record ‘You on the other hand are doing something very illegal in commenting on a case which is to be heard before the Childrens Court. Who is treading thin ice now.”

    I have legal access to the brief just like everyone else involved in the case, OK.

  136. Innocent Bystander,
    Isn’t the information you are commenting on about supposed to be private and confidential therefore you are not supposed to comment on it?

  137. Sorry for reporting facts to allay any fears that the girl might be charged “but she wont”. Yeah right

  138. I think that if “Innocent Bystander” and “Listener” could speak fact to face, they would find they actually agree on many aspects of this case. Not all…but it would be an interesting conversation.

    Take away what I call your “Attack and Defend” statements, and a lot of what you have written in the past actually support each other.

    Its like two sides of the same coin. Innocent Bystander knows the girls side of the story and Listener the Boys. But you both do not want revenge. You both want a fair trial and conclusion without the excessive abuse that is going on.

    I truely believe neither of you are lying. You are both stating facts as you know them. You just have different facts!!
    …..God I hope I am right!!!

  139. No one deserves vigalante justice. I think the one thing that most every law-abiding poster on this site can agree with is that the proper response now is to allow the legal authorities to handle this case. However, I do think it’s worth mention to Listener and other’s who defend this dvd as a “mistake” made by otherwise contrite and lovely boys that some mistakes have extreme consequences. The “mistake” of sharing a beer with your friends before you’re old enough to drink legally is less of a problem than the “mistake” of setting a girl’s hair on fire, which itself is made even more of a “mistake” when you film it and sell the dvd.

    Yes, these boys made a mistake in the pure sense of the word, and I’m quite sure that they now wish they hadn’t. In fact, I have no doubt that this was an error in judgment and that the young men involved have a good side to them. They may be boyscouts in their day to day life, helping old ladies across the street and doing good deeds, but the fact of the matter is some “mistakes” are just too dispicable to be ignored by society. I don’t advocate the use of threats, and I don’t believe in a pure “eye for an eye” system of punishment, so let the law do its job, charges have been brought. But by all means concerned citizens should continue to speak out and send the clear message that these sorts of mistakes by young men against women will no longer be tolerated, regardless of the intelligence level of the victim.

  140. Believe me, many of these boys were not boy scouts in there past life. Some of them were well known bullies. I experienced some of it.

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  142. I think it is prudent to mention a few things here. I do not know any of the boys. I do not know any of the facts, only what I have seen on a gossip rag television show.
    However, our legal system is clearly based on the notion that a person is innocent until proven guilty. Not guilty until they prove their innocence.

    While I do think the actions that were shown on the excerpt were morally wrong and completely disgusting, I also realise that to make a judgement based purely on 30 seconds of edited footage is jumping the gun.

    However, I also thing that anyone who would make a movie whether it be fiction or non-fiction, portraying such vulgar and disturbing acts and labelling them as funny is repulsive, sick, twisted and disturbing in itself..

    Realist, I think you have certainly made some valid points, and it is admirable that you don’t involve yourself in the media hype and make a judgement before the facts are revealed. However, even without seeing the whole facts, the short amount we have seen is appalling. I shudder to think what that poor girl is going through. Sure its a tv show, sure it’s edited, but its the boys who made the film, not Today Tonight.

    Listener, I think its a very sad state of affairs where you can throw stones at an alleged victim, further demeaning her. If we are to not judge the boys before we are armed with all the facts, then should you not extend the same courtesy to the alleged victim. To call an alleged rape victim “promiscuous” is neither constructive, nor welcomed.

    When something like this happens in society, shouldn’t we band together to ensure it doesn’t happen again, educate our children, protect them, and discipline them? As opposed to rallying against each other about who is wrong or right?

    This is a matter for the police and courts to decide upon. Whatever the outcome, there has been an alleged incident of serious crimes, and we should all treat it as such. It is reprehensible to degrade the victim or cast doubt on her as if she is simply crying wolf.

    If you research it, you will find the same tactics were used by the defence in a similar case in Orange County, America. Some prominent teenagers filmed an attack on a young girl. In the court case, the defence lawyers built up the victim’s character as a slut, as someone who had consented to the behaviour.

    I ask you, Would you consent to being urinated on? Would you consent to have your hair being set alight? If you consented would you allow the boys to circle you like vultures and humiliate you further by having it filmed? I know that I wouldn’t, and I am sure the same opinion is shared by many others.

    Listener, Realist; perhaps you do not understand. When a crime is committed against a person in our community, it is a crime being committed against ourselves. If it could happen to this girl. It could happen to any girl. ANd therefore, it IS personal.

  143. The girl no matter what the story or level of consent ( i really doubt consent was given after reading information so far) has had her life ruined by the boy or boys who filmed this incident and distributed it. It is out there now for ever and ever and she will never be free of this horible assault on her future. This poor poor girl will have to live with this for ever. I feel so sorry for her and her parents. They must be shattered…or working so hard to ensure her life is restored.

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  147. While these kids have done something, horrible, nasty, disgraceful and obviously beyond apology to the 17 year old female victim, i strongly urge you to ask yourself, to what degree does it concern you?

    Yes, if this could happen to this girl, it could happen to any girl OR boy, but from the outcome and negative publicity from this incident, kids like these boys would be too scared to do something like this again, because they already know that is going to prove a bad outcome for both the victim and themselves, so why cause so much havoc for no reason, as i see it; these werribee kids went to far, but it is still no exception for guys like trent,

    who said quote “I’m very interested in this story for my blog. Do you have a link to a news story with the suspects’ names? I would give you complete credit of course. Please e-mail me.”

    Of course trent, we’ll give you the names of these victims so they can be known to the public and you’ll get publicity for leaking them out.

    And trent, you knowing the names of the victims can only help the case how?
    The court already knows the identity of ALL the youths who were involved in the DVD, so why does the public need to know? Why would they?
    So they can find there myspace adress and send comments abusing them and even giving them death threats? Or maybe even find out the address of their house just to tell them what YOU think of what they’ve done. ITS NONE OF YOU’RE BLOODY BUSSINESS! and there is a fine line to being disturbed by what these teens have done and disturbing them. Some of you have to grow up, esspecially Tent; who has to think of all the teen’s families who are being braught into this mess, when they’ve done nothing wrong.

  148. Julia; While these kids have done something, horrible, nasty, disgraceful and obviously beyond apology to the 17 year old female victim, i strongly urge you to ask yourself, to what degree does it concern you?

    It concerns me a hell of a lot Julia because i like all other law abiding parents with a daughter want the state to send a clear message to young men in our society that “exploiting, degrading and exerting physical power over young women in our society will never be tolerated”. Full stop

  149. oi u dont kno crap i live in teh place wer this happened and nearly all of u dont know wat happened

    u dont kno shit!

  150. oi all u dick heds fromn teh states and otha countries commenting u do NOT KNOW SHIT

    OK

    I ACTUALLY LIVE THER I KNOW THEM ALL I KNO THE STORY A THOUSAND TIMES BETTA THAN U AND ONCE AGEN U DONT KNO SHIT!

    B4 U GO COMMENTING UNDERSTAND AND KNOW ALL THE FACTS DIC HEDS

  151. I LIVE WER IT HAPPENED ASSHOLED AND LISTNER IS MORE RIGHT

    LISTEN THE BOYS DID SOME BAD THINGS BUT IF HE TRUTH CAME OUT IT WOULDNT SELL IN THE PAPERS OR ANY OF THAT

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  153. OOOOhhh Biccy B im sooooo scared
    Your repuation for getting head
    is gonna do you in
    because your little sin
    of putting mean pressure on the feminine
    is going way over the white line
    like a cat walking the power line
    so look out chumpy chum
    and dont go through the red
    coz
    the law is coming to mess with your head
    biccy boy

  154. To dad, i can understand you’re point. Of course you don’t wont anything to happen to you’re child. But the reality is there is likely nothing that will happen like this to you’re child or any child in that matter, because a case like this has only happened once and it will likely never happen again.

    But getting their myspaces, numbers and address just so you can tell them yourself that you think there a bunch of assholes and to stay away from you’re kids… well that’s pushing the boundries isn’t it? For both the boy and the family of the boy, i mean how many people do you think have already told them they should go to prison or that they should die or even worse insults?

    All a parent can do is protect their child and teach them how to not get into dangerous situations,to teach them the boundaries of life. What goes from safe to unsafe. Posting comments on the boy’s myspaces isn’t gonna make them go to jail, isn’t going to make them die and isn’t going to protect you’re child. And if you think it’ll make you feel better then be my guest and post away, because at the end of the day why are you really posting it? is it coz u’ve got nothing better to do? Probably so

    To me, some of you sound like youve just watched the situation on channel nine and taken everything that Tracy Grimshore has said and taken it to heart. The media are clueless, its the police and law that know everything and just because they aren’t like Tracy and tell everything on tv without thinking about the consequences to the boys families, doesn’t mean that they don’t know eveything they need to know and no the identies and background on both the boys and victim. After all it’s the victim, boys, their families and the laws bussiness, not anyone elses and while the public should be concerned or disturbed, they should not do anything more than that

  155. Well i guess listener was wrong going by todays headlines

    Werribee DVD youths plead guilty, avoid jail
    Email Print Normal font Large font Sasha Shtargot
    July 21, 2007

    SEVEN youths who pleaded guilty to making a DVD that showed a girl being sexually assaulted and degraded in Werribee last year will not be jailed.

    The seven, who appeared at a Children’s Court hearing yesterday, will instead be assessed for an adolescent sexual rehabilitation program.

    They face two charges of procuring sexual penetration by intimidation and one of assault and making and producing child pornography.

    The DVD was shot in June last year when the 17-year-old girl, who has mild developmental delay, was taken by the youths to the edge of the Werribee River.

    It includes footage of the sexual act, of men urinating on the girl and throwing a cup of urine on her. It also shows them setting her hair alight three times.

    They throw her top and jacket into the river and tell her: “You’re walking home topless.”

    The judge said the youths’ guilty plea was a strong indication of their remorse.

    “The idea is that the defendants now have some rehabilitation and education in how not to treat women,” the judge said.

    The video, which was sold at schools for $5, sparked public uproar when excerpts were revealed on television four months after it was made.

    The seven youths will appear in court again on August 8 for a further plea hearing. Four other youths who intend to challenge the charges will face court in September.

  156. The media is not telling the whole truth of the matter but it sucks people in like it did to News Update. You are a real sponge but its not your fault if you don’t know the facts but I guess its none of your business. You don’t know what happened but I do. Enough said.
    The law works in mysterious ways mate and I’m not going to explain it to you suffice to say that you better hope this never happens to you. All you need to do is speak to the lawyers, barristers and police who are fully informed about this case to have an honest opinion but its still none of your business. If it hadn’t have been for Today Tonight this would have been dealt with respectfully and honestly.
    Great outcome with this case given the dilemma it posed and I was right thank you. People with comments like that prove my point constantly.
    P.S. Julia …. you obviously have the blinkers off and can see clearly. Thank you for your comments.

  157. Listener says
    The law works in mysterious ways mate and I’m not going to explain it to you suffice to say that you better hope this never happens to you. All you need to do is speak to the lawyers, barristers and police who are fully informed about this case to have an honest opinion but its still none of your business.

    Well listener i did speak to the lawyers, police and others involved during this case and all i can say is that you are still peddling complete and utter bullshit in your efforts to defend these boys actions. But we have come to expect that.

    The QC and other lawyers representing these boys got it right and the the best outcome for these boys simply because the boys admitted guilt not because they were innocent as you seem to imply. As you no doubt know one of the boys families (the one who made the DVD)engaged one of the best QCs in the business and he, after viewing the original DVD with the boys father, advised them to plead guilty. Case over, done and dusted.

    These boys were damn lucky to get such an easy consequence and obligation considering what they did. Their futures are now looking rosy while the girl and her family still have to live with the knowledge that this horrible DVD is still out there.

    Your cheap and pathetic defense of them in this way only goes to show how far you will go to win a point. A cheap smutty point to say the least and it does in some way define you.

  158. A psychologist’s view of the Werribee DVD makers

    The terrible and brutish acts performed by a Werribee pack, or more correctly a group of young men, on an innocent young woman man, pose questions for us all.
    There was also the terrorising of a homeless man. What are the circumstances that allow young men to feel the need to be brutal to another person?
    What alienation from family, school or local community took place?
    What earlier behaviour signalled a loss of empathy and a lack of respect for women?
    Was there evidence of poor social skills and poor problem-solving skills?
    Was there an absence of dreams about and goals for the future?
    We know that all behaviour has a purpose. It is directed at achieving something, directed at satisfying a need.
    For example, if I have an itch I scratch.
    So behaviour is either appropriate and useful or inappropriate, not useful or just plain bad.
    In the Werribee case, it is correct to say the behaviour was evil.
    There are four reasons for misbehaving: power, attention seeking, revenge, and inadequacy or feelings of hopelessness.
    In the Werribee incident, probably all four were present. Power over a helpless victim. Attention seeking by making and distributing the DVD. Revenge because some, or all, of these young men feel internal/external inadequacy.
    This means they might be unsuccessful at school or work, might feel physically inferior or might feel disconnected from mainstream society.
    Very likely these young men have poor or no real problem-solving skills and their social skills are more bravado than skills.
    Their relief is in self and other destructive behaviour.
    They have no goals or dreams for their future.
    They live in a vacuum with the need for excitement and gratification.
    Fortunately, the vast majority of young people are not like this. The vast majority is good and law abiding.
    And it is in our society’s interest that we bring up our young people to be
    competent, caring and community-minded.
    This is the awesome responsibility that parents, teachers and all adults share.
    We are all responsible for young people. Of course, parents have the major duty of care for their children.
    And if they fail in this role the rest of us have to step in and help.
    Otherwise, these young people will be alienated from society and turn to anti-social behaviour.
    In my 30 or so years of working with young people and families, the greatest change I’ve noticed is
    the loss of proper parental authority.
    Many parents have become confused, uncertain and plain scared about how rules, limits and consequences are set and applied.
    I have lost count of how often parents say to me “I want to be my child’s best friend” or “all I want is for my child to be happy”.
    I won’t give my usual response to such statements here.
    Children do not want their parents for friends.
    They want and need their parents as sources of love, safety and leadership.
    And children will be happy if they are helped to become competent.
    Parents who know how to exercise proper authority, without being authoritarian, keep their children safe in a predictable and stable environment.
    It is this authority that parents use when they set the rules, limits and consequences for safe co-operative living.
    When children become adolescents the boundaries widen because parents and teachers are supposedly supporting and encouraging their growth towards future adult independence.
    In the adolescent years, parents show their love and respect by setting rational and negotiated guidelines for safe living.
    While we accept adolescents have a need to be different, we still expect them to behave in accord with the morals and ethics that their parents have modelled.
    The other aspect of adult responsibility for young people is to protect them from the dangers of technology.
    Television, DVDs, video games, the internet, films and mobiles are all capable of hurting them.
    More than ever, parents, schools and institutions need to regulate and control technology use.
    At home, parents need to watch with whom their children communicate, what games they play, what TV shows, films, internet downloads and internet use and access are allowed.
    The mobile phone, too, needs tight control. SMS messages can be a real source of concern.
    A number of parents have told me “it’s too hard to keep an eye on them” and “they don’t like me checking up or watching”.
    It’s not too hard.
    It’s just inconvenient and demanding of parental time. It’s a case of using parental authority.
    On the other side of the technology coin are people and companies who profit greatly from young people:
    THE immoral and amoral producers of mindless violence and sexual exploitation in video games marketed at young people.
    THE TV shows that disrespect people and are devoid of decent human behaviour.
    THE internet that seduces the unsuspecting.
    All these can damage and numb human sensibilities.
    Are these, in part, the cause for some young people acting out the violence and abuse they have seen or played?
    To return to the young Werribee men: one has to ask if these young men have mothers and sisters?
    Is there no respect for women, no empathy for the tragedy of homelessness?
    How often has their anti-social behaviour been trivialised or brushed off by parents as “only being boys”.
    Do the parents feel any responsibility for the way their sons behaved?
    Certainly three sets of parents do because they took their sons to the police, thereby demonstrating tough love in action.
    If what we are told is accurate, these young men have been behaving anti-socially for some time in a number of places.
    Had no one thought to stop them?
    Had no one thought to notify the police?
    Early intervention might have resulted in stopping their rising violence.
    Each perpetrator of the acts of physical violence, the acts of abuse and the acts of terror is responsible for what he did.
    Each is responsible for witnessing what the others did.
    Each is a coward. Each deserves the full force of the law.
    The tragedy for our society is that these young men could have been different.
    They could have been competent young men with futures that would give them the satisfaction of being good and useful citizens.
    But we have allowed them to become lost. Hopefully they are recoverable.
    There is the need to examine how schools can better meet the needs of the young people who find mainstream education too difficult,
    not relevant, not applicable and so on.
    Yes, it is possible to find a solution for almost every problem with which young people present. All we have to do is want to find it.

  159. Innocent Bystander … you pick what you want people to hear. Yes one boy had a great QC and some have legal aid but they were all treated the same way and had equal representation and had equal outcomes.
    I am not a liar … I have spoken to police from SCU and barristers and solictors associated with this case and I know what they have all said to me.
    I have never ever stated that the boys did nothing. Should they have ended up in jail for what they did though.
    My only concern is for the youth of today and where does this all end. I am also concerned with the attitudes of people towards these boys and girl.
    People find it all so easy to condemn and put the blame on others.
    We need to educate kids on the dangers they currently face.
    I would so love to see a curfew imposed for 12 months to save these kids from themselves. I could go on forever but nobody here cares. I really wish I could change the world but I don’t have the answers but while you get angry and smile when you type your comments here I type and feel sadness and fear for my children. This could have been my son or my daughter. Where will this all end.
    No response is required.

  160. Jail won’t help DVD seven

    Michael Carr-Gregg

    SEVEN young men stood before the Children’s Court and pleaded guilty to two counts of procuring an act of sexual penetration by intimidation and one of making child pornography and assault.These young men were allegedly at the centre of the DVD that shocked the nation.
    A 17-year-old developmentally delayed woman was lured to a river bank, made to perform sexual acts, was urinated on, her hair set on fire, and she was sexually assaulted.
    The Crime Victims Support Association was reportedly incensed that prosecutors had dropped more than 30 other charges in return for the boys’ guilty pleas, along with assurances they would not receive a custodial sentence.
    The seven teenagers will be sentenced next month and it is likely they will receive a supervision order and be required to participate in a sexual offenders program.

    As a society, we want and need to know how seven teenagers could have stood by and watched while performing acts of gross indecency on a defenceless young girl, without at least one of them breaking from the pack and intervening to stop it.
    Responses to this question fall in to five categories.
    The first is to blame the media, violent TV, video games and movies.
    The second is that such acts could only be committed by young psychopaths incapable of feeling empathy and who enjoy the suffering of others.
    Third is that young men who engage in such behaviour have disturbed childhoods and are victims of sexual, emotional and physical abuse, and are “damaged goods” incapable of developing normal relationships.
    Fourth is that this is a manifestation of Australia’s greatest social problem: an underclass of underfathered, disaffected, disaffiliated boys.
    This is the so-called Lord of the Flies generation who have never been properly parented and simply don’t know the difference between right and wrong.
    The fifth category relates to the science of neuro-imaging, which suggests that the brains of teenagers do not develop fully until the early 20s.
    Research says the last part of the brain to develop is that responsible for planning, impulse control, risk assessment, and that any vestige of self-control disappears in a pack.

    In March 2005, the US Supreme Court was asked to decide whether teenage murderers should be executed in the same way as adults.

    The court ruled on the basis of the scientific evidence from neuro-imaging studies that teenagers do have less culpability than adults because of their brain development.
    If we go along with the Crime Victims Support Association view that the boys should serve a custodial sentence, the possibility exists that they will learn to be better thugs, thieves and drug addicts.

    Ideally, rehabilitation of the Werribee seven should involve attending a sexual offender program, but also a lengthy stretch of closely supervised community service.
    This community service should be associated with the sort of developmentally delayed young people they took advantage of.
    Common sense suggests locking young people up does not solve a problem born of societal neglect and neuropsychology of young people.

    Dr Michael Carr-Gregg is an adolescent psychologist

  161. Oh Listener where do you get off with your “I was right thank you…”

    Your defence of these kids reeks of a parent who realised too late that she hadn’t been paying attention. Now you gloat on message boards about the fact THEY WERE GUILTY.

    They did it. They are guilty. They were wrong. Disgusting.
    No response required.

  162. Friendly Fire … there isn’t anything friendly about you only firey.
    I have never said anywhere that ‘they did nothing’ nor ‘they are innocent’ but I have said my children are not involved so don’t attack me or my parenting skills.
    You don’t even know the story but only what you’ve read.
    You’re not to blame for your poor attitude.

  163. In the last two posts since the guilty plea by seven boys to 4 charges each….Listener says

    The media is not telling the whole truth of the matter but it sucks people in like it did to News Update. You are a real sponge but its not your fault if you don’t know the facts but I guess its none of your business. You don’t know what happened but I do. Enough said.
    The law works in mysterious ways mate and I’m not going to explain it to you suffice to say that you better hope this never happens to you. All you need to do is speak to the lawyers, barristers and police who are fully informed about this case to have an honest opinion but its still none of your business.

    And her most recent

    I have never said anywhere that ‘they did nothing’ nor ‘they are innocent’ but I have said my children are not involved so don’t attack me or my parenting skills.
    You don’t even know the story but only what you’ve read.
    You’re not to blame for your poor attitude.

    Listener you have a serious credibility problem and need to clarify because to have “socalled” conversations with the Lawyers and Sexuall assault police members connected to this case you would either require a direct relationship with these boys or you hear it second hand off a family member …..which is probably biased which is it.

  164. Stop pikin on listener. I ve just looked through all her posts on this and the other Werribee dvd sight. She must be feelin like a right plucked goose now without your help, especially after trying to defend those stupid boys early in the piece by suggesting the girl would eventually be charged too.

    She was so wrong on so many issues she must be feeling like the prize dunce in the corner with everyone who visited this site now all laughing hysterically at her biased and sometimes cruel rantings. Poor pettle.

  165. For Christs sake if you’re going to quote me get it right stupid!!
    Never did I say she would eventually get charged. I said she could have been charged because of certain laws. But then so could have atleast maybe 50 or so more people.
    Give me a break. What is your agenda here really.
    If you’ve viewed recent footage of the boys going to court you might even believe that the blurred pic of a waving teen was one of them. Ha ha. WRONG!!! Nothing to do with that case but PPHHH!!!
    This should have never gotten this far if you really know what you’re talking about. But you don’t. You only know what you’ve read. They should have all had mediation and counselling. I don’t know if you’ve realised but there are real criminals out there and all these resources have been wasted on this. A better outcome could have been reached in a more effective way. Instead of all this hatred and negative crap.

  166. Listener says

    Number One;I said she could have been charged because of certain laws.

    Please reiterate and prove this assertion or be seen to be in the company of those who leak unsubstantiated information to get the upper hand once more (like Reith and now Andrews have done)

    Number Two;If you’ve viewed recent footage of the boys going to court you might even believe that the blurred pic of a waving teen was one of them. Ha ha. WRONG!!! Nothing to do with that case but PPHHH!!!

    You seem to imply that this point proves they didnt do it or that the press got it all wrong. Well blow me over with a feather maybe the boys in the video arent the real boys.
    And maybe the DPP is STOOOPID too.

    Number Three:
    They should have all had mediation and counselling. I don’t know if you’ve realised but there are real criminals out there and all these resources have been wasted on this.

    Well listener they are going to get counselling and lots of it …so good point. But your reference to mediation is a joke and shows your naivity. Mediations fundamental aim is to work on a WIN / WIN outcome for all parties. It can only go ahead when all parties are on equall footing and attend voluntarily (and rarely involve issues around either sexuall or physical violence). The final part of a mediation produces an agreement that both parties have to agree on.

    Are you that naive that you cant see the power imbalance here let alone the mixed agendas. Seven boys who have now all pleaded guilty to serious sexual and physical assault charges (they did not have to, they could have gone to court if they truly in there hearts believed they did nothing wrong and there lawyers believed them, let alone their mothers) on one side trying to get a win for the girl as well as themselves. i can see it now ….”Sorry about the DVD stuff and violence …but if we are ever out there in the community and someone is showing it or talking about you in derogatory ways we will ……”

    Give me a break, in fact i now realise why you have never given ground on this issue. You can not see the other point of view….You cite lawyers and police (male i bet), who yes might have differing views (and differing information)than the DPP (a woman by the way with all the information…1000 pages in fact)…YES some lawyers and police might have sided with you on certain issues of law for sure. But at the end of the day what was done was calculated, predatory and malicous in intent and if the boys had have been older the consequence would have been more severe. Lucky them I say.

    At the end of the day I believe the consequence offered to these boys is measured, wise and affirming. Affirming of every womens right to justice when they have been used, abused and PISSED ON.

    CREAM, RISES TO THE TOP …..SO TOO DOES TRUTH AND JUSTICE …

    ACCEPT THE VERDICT LISTENER AND HEAL THYSELF…..

  167. @Listener – how on earth do you look at yourself in the mirror and think you are a decent person? It is all on tape. The destruction, the vandalism, the abuse, the torment… all of it. For you to sit there and say :oh, you don’t know the facts”.

    what more do I need to see than these bullies doing things like dropping flares on homeless people? sing/burning and tormenting an obviously terrified girl? What magic piece are we missing? are you suggesting all of that was faked? I mean really? These kids behaved like out of control savages.

    How on earth can you actually defend this and dress it up as: Oh, I want to stop the hurt of the children?!? What about the hurt they caused? People are outraged becuase DECENT people do not act this way.

    There are consequences to actions… people expressing thier distaste and them being condemed is not only natural (coming from DECENT people) but important. Thank god people are reacting the way they are and verbally condemming these little monsters – otherwise I would lose faith in humanity.

  168. Yeah you’re right mate. I am wrong. I just don’t know what I’m going on about. I’m just so stupid and nasty and dumb. I think all the kids should burn in hell or even worse. I mean if the reports say they did what they all did then they should all go to max security jail. Don’t you agree? They are uneducated, druggie type losers aren’t they?

    Un altro cretino!!!!

  169. Listener the part I still don’t understand about your stance on all of this is WHY you care so much. You have clearly stated that YOU are not related to any of the people involved in the whole incident – yet you talk about getting support from others. WHY are you fighting so hard to defend these guilty lads? Why do you actually care so much. Perhaps you are the patron saint of knuckleheads or something?

  170. Yeah I guess I am the patron saint of knuckleheads. I have never said these boys did nothing and so I have never said they are innocent little angels. I don’t live in La La Land. The thing that bothers me the most is nasty evil vindictive attitudes similar to yours. The boys are not saints and I have never painted them as such. What bothers me the most is people who get on their high horses and condemn kids almost to death because of something that does not warrant all this effort. I have kids of my own and they are not perfect but who can stand up and say they are perfect. You give the impression you are but I think not.

    Testa dura!!

  171. Listener says:

    What bothers me the most is people who get on their high horses and condemn kids almost to death because of something that does not warrant all this effort.

    Bullshit Listener; Something like this does warrant all this effort and thats why you remain deluded, jaded and unable to move on…….let go

  172. Gee Listener, way to avoid the question there…

    You said “The thing that bothers me the most is nasty evil vindictive attitudes similar to yours.”

    What nasty vindictive attitude like mine??? I have only wanted these guys to be dealt with by the law and have never supported any other vigilante action.

    I would think that luring a girl to a seculded place, removing her clothes, writing the word C**T across her chest, setting alight her hair, pissing on her, filiming it, posting it on the internet, making copies and distributing them would be considered NASTY AND VINDICTIVE.

    You are always harping on about people misquoting and misrepresenting you but you do it yourself all the time.

    You are honestly the most ridiculous person I have ever come across in an online forum. I am always marvelling at your crazy biased comments.

  173. Cant we all just agree to disagree to our opinions. My God I cant believe this is still going on and on. The same comments over and over….

    I suggest you delete this site from your computers and get on with your lives. None if this is productive. Its just attack and defend.

    Listener… Why bother replying? Nobody cares about the truth (whatever it is)…they just want to attack. Forget this site it is pointless. If you dont answer this is finally over!!! Who cares what others think. Have your opinion and let them have theirs.

  174. Realist you say;

    I suggest you delete this site from your computers and get on with your lives. None if this is productive. Its just attack and defend.

    Why dont you set the example then if thats how you feel.

    Then you say;

    Listener… Why bother replying? Nobody cares about the truth (whatever it is)…they just want to attack. Forget this site it is pointless. If you dont answer this is finally over!!! Who cares what others think. Have your opinion and let them have theirs.

    There you go defending a writer who has provocatively and repeatadly called others idiots for seeking the truth rather than accepting listeners biased arguments and innuendo. You say nobody cares about the truth; says who ….you….the great realist who has sat back on the fence most of the time and only puts in so called words of wisdom when listener gets verbally mauled for her condemnations of others rights. How about you getting a life and leaving listener alone so she can keep coming back to this site for a reality check every time she feels the need to say the boys were hard done by.

  175. Hear hear on the realist, listener connection. It was drivin me nuts reading those two in cohorts …..that was probably one in reality.

  176. Another opinion??? Exposed????? = Friendly Fire…

    Oh NOW I get it….. you are all the same person. Ba ha ha ha ha..silly me. I thought you were actually serious.

  177. I wasn’t going to reply but this is bizarre. How can anyone think that I am Realist when we have never said the same thing.
    Everyone else must be the one person as you are all spinning the same crap.
    It sounds like the only thing we have in common is that we may both be women and both mothers from what I read.
    It is funny to notice though that you have now all focused your energies on attacking me. Similar to a mob mentality. It does explain alot though I guess about the kind of people you may be. An reading back on many of your comments it enforces my opinion.
    I guess it comes down as to what you define as negative and positive comments.
    I’m sure someone will be quick to enlighten me as to what those definitions are but I’m not too sure who will be first. Hmmmm …. Exposed? … Another Opinion? … Friednly Fire? … or wait a minute … are they the same person?? …. Amusing isn’t it.

  178. Listener you say;I wasn’t going to reply but this is bizarre. How can anyone think that I am Realist when we have never said the same thing.

    Derrrrr thats what alias set ups are supposed to do……
    You slur and deny …..then get nailed for it….realist comes in and asks for order and rational debate….der

    Just joking….who gives a toss wether your one or just seperated at birth….you were both well off the mark when it came to predicting the outcome of this case……we just have look at back entries to see who has been on the ball(I repeat from earlier postings; the boys and their barristers/solicitors didnt have to plead guilty if they really believed they had done nothing wrong).

    Which now prompts the question; now that 8 boys have pleaded guilty to all charges how do you “both” feel about the non custodial sentencers that will be handed down….will they do the trick….will they help or hinder these boys healthy growth towards manhood and a healthy respect for all women….or will they just do lip service to there developement?

    Response please

    PS no connection to friendly fire but have friendship with Another Opinion…thank god

  179. Thanks for the flattery Listener/Realist – but I am just me! It must be tough imagining there could be more than one person whose thoughts differ from your own.

    But please keep amusing me with your long winded diatribes and avoidance of answering questions from posts.

    And as far as accusations, have you read back over your own posts? You accuse people of being vindictive without even reading back over their comments. It’s weird how you keep acting as if every other poster shares exactly the same views. Or maybe it’s just because you’re not getting as much ‘support for your views’? Because you totally need it, given you have no connection to the case or anything.

  180. Listener you say;

    Similar to a mob mentality. It does explain alot though I guess about the kind of people you may be.

    Let me get this right …Are you talking about the boys who were charged here??????The ones who set the girls hair alight 3 times, through cups of piss on her, dragged her by her feet, stole her mobile phone, sexually assaulted her, wrote obscenities across her chest, verbally abused her relentlessly, through her clothes and schoolbag into the river, stood by and cheered as it all took place, pursued her as she tried to get away and then left her for dead…….

    Yeah you must be……….

  181. Ummmmmmmmm…..when did I predict the outcome of this????

    Do I have any other aliases?? Oh my God maybe I am blacking out and being taken over by aliens!!! HELP ME PLEASE…WHATS GOING ON!!!

  182. Hey realist your a fake
    your being taken over by aliens
    and stuff
    your soul is on the take
    so are you
    so give up now, take your leave
    give us a break from your diatribe
    get a life, cause
    a new life you must weave

  183. That was a great effort but with a little more work I think you should start submitting your work to Hallmark. Could make yourself a buck or two.

  184. Tell me just how am I fake?
    And how is my soul on the take?
    My diatribe I can not find,
    Oh thats right I have lost my mind!!

    But then I am not me again
    It must be them damn aliens…

  185. Aliens meet aliens
    your all in the same bag,
    listener is a realist
    truth is close to lie

    12.12 to 12.52
    is only but 40
    but
    to suggest the link
    between one stink and
    one other stink
    hell it is naughty

  186. Hey POET, Havent seen you here before, what are your other aliases? You know what they say…

    TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR
    WHAT YOU SAY IS WHAT YOU ARE.

    You say if I post within 40 minutes of listener I am therefore her. And if I post 4 months between posts I am also her…good logic.

  187. PS: Just checked back and guess what…..I must also be “Another Opinion” coz we posted within 40 minutes too…..oooooohhh this is getting wierd!!!!

  188. Hold on… NOW I am confused…

    Checked back a bit further and Another Opinion posted at 10.56 then Friendly Fire at 11.24… why that is even LESS then 40 minutes. How strange. What do you make of that POET coz you are so wise…

  189. Anonymous, Anonymous, Anonymous
    Ah what insight you do have,
    A little sense of humour as well
    But lets not confuse the issue here
    Are you realist and listener do tell

    A bipolar explosion of massive proportions
    a duo with single mind
    but then again maybe schitzoid tendencies
    a psychiatrist will find

  190. I could be skinny or I could be fat
    I could be 5 or 50 so what about that

    I could be vague or I could be shrewd
    I could be sweet or I could rude

    I could be lady or I could be man
    I could pretend I’m whoever I am

    I could be right or I could be wrong
    Tra la la la this is a wonderful song

    This is so much fun …. I’ll have to think of some more.

  191. I notice that listener/realist has not commented on proposed sentence that boys attend extensive sexual rehabilation at Juvenile Justice clinic for 12 months.

    Any reason?

  192. I don’t know exactly what you’re asking but it seems as though you need my opinion so you can probably oppose it.
    Well how in hell am I supposed to concentrate on a valid opinion when I’m caught up in the whole Cats issue. Yes Cats.
    They are gonna kick ass tomorrow!!!
    Yippee!!!!
    As for the boys and all that crap you are full of shit cos you obviously don’t know anything about it at all otherwise you wouldn’t have even asked.
    You Idiot.

    P.S. GO CATS!!!!!!!

  193. Hi Listener, I was waiting for you to respond first as I know Exposed was addressing you more than me.

    Sorry, but I dont follow footy. But as we are supposed to share a brain (and I dont care enough to even go check who the other team is) I will agree with you.

    GO CATS!!!
    LUV THAT PUSSY POWER.

  194. well there you have it. I return to this site to see Two numb nuts (or one) squirming at the line between truth and reality. These last two posts demonstrate the fantasy world they (she)live in.

    A site set up to dicuss one of the states most serious offences and its main contributors descend into put downs and insults once more.

    I certainly wont be visiting here again, i need to read listener/realist discourse like i need a hole in the head.

    But let me just finish with this;

    The case is nearly over, 10 boys pleaded guilty to 4 of the most serious crimes a young person can ever commit. It is time to move on, I just hope listener/realist can now get on with educating the boy they are connected to in this crime about life and how it should be lived. Hopefully a little more decently than their recent posts.

  195. Yep, footies real allright,….. its exciting, fun filled pleasure….100% and just as real as those who committed the crime and the dipsticks who defended them month after month, namely listener and realist.

    But i will agree with the dipsticks; the Cats are the team of the century. More power to the real pussies…. not the ones who committed the crime.

  196. listener: seeing as you dont wish to actually state any facts which you seem to be constantly saying that you have, i guess i can only say i know the facts too, i watched the DVD, and i have spoken to several of the boys and they all admit it.
    Although i believe a sentence in Juvenile detention centre would be very mmuch appropriate, my only hopoe now is that they will always be known as the “guys who sexually assaultd someone who had a learning impairment”. It makes me feel great when i think of all the bad looks people will give them and how they will be treated in thw future.

  197. If you think that they knew what they were doing was child pornography than you’re even a bigger dickhead than you seem.
    It’s not as black and white as you make it seem. The fact is a few kids thought they’d get together and do some filming and that’s no secret, and then they invited some others to watch and that’s no secret. Nobody was there against their will you idiot and I don’t care what you say. The kids made a decision like any other kid would do. Their not perfect kids.
    They did it but did they have intent to commit a crime? Most kids that child pornography is what dirty old men do. Just get over it.

    Anyway lets discuss some real important issues here ….
    MELBOURNE ROCKS ….. FIRST THE CATS AND THEN MELBOURNE STORM ….. YEAH!!!!!!!!!

  198. Listener yet again misses the point…
    “If you think that they knew what they were doing was child pornography than you’re even a bigger dickhead than you seem.”

    Surely they knew what they were doing was WRONG, whatever the final charge was.

    Hopefully the boys have some other more mature adults around to set some sort of example for them in the future.

  199. Listener says;
    The fact is a few kids thought they’d get together and do some filming and that’s no secret, and then they invited some others to watch and that’s no secret. Nobody was there against their will you idiot and I don’t care what you say.

    Well listener you certainly nail your true colours to the wall on this one,in fact you forgot one important point, because after 6 months of police interviews and investigation the DPP, the police, the boys legal team and the boys themselves all agree and have all pleaded guilty to one important point; THEY DID WHAT THEY DID AGAINST THE WILL OF THE GIRL

    Grow up listener or are you really just an 18 year old posing as an adult

  200. Listener, you really are a pathetic muckracker at best.

    As the previous post pointed out you have been wrong about this from the start and every known fact on record verifies the guilt of these boys. Your continual assertions as to the boys pseudo innocence or lack of intent over this matter flies in the face of their pleading guilty to very serious charges. As you yourself point out the whole affair was planned and premeditated and this highlights the seriousness of its intent.

    No parent would let their child plead guilty to such serious charges unless they had doubts or were certain there boys did a serious wrong.

    Justice prevails…..listener does not listen.

  201. Yeah you are realist/listener and have been all through these posts Dickhead. One day you will fly away to the never never and get a life i suppose, but I wont count on it.

  202. Hey who’s coming to the Never Never Land? Wendy and the Boys are here and we’re having a party so come soon.

  203. To Listener:
    i honestly feel very sorry for you. im not sure who you really are but perhaps you really dont believe that the boys have commited a serious crime, or maybe you just dont want to admit it.
    Ultimately, i hope that one day you will realise that although teenagers do ‘muck around’, what they did may have started as just fun, but after selling a DVD? i dont think anyone can argue that as just being ‘fun’.
    Hopefully you will realise how serious and appalling their actions were, and that if you really are a mother, to teach you kids wat is right, and not what you have been posting on this site.

  204. Hey realist, todays the day when the boys get the chance to run round the Mulberry bush with you and celebrate. Hope you have a pleasant and enlightening day.

  205. Thankyou, My day has been very pleasant and actually quite enlightening so far, are you watching me???

  206. Hey Realist/Listener this article from the Melbourne AGE today sums it up a little dont you think….now you can stop going round the Mulberry Bush

    Film of attack on girl shown to parents in court

    A 16-YEAR-OLD boy who forced a girl to perform a degrading sex act on him while a group of his friends chanted “the victim” and filmed the pack attack in Werribee last year told police he would not treat an animal in the same fashion.

    The boy, who has admitted spitting on the girl and setting her hair alight during the film, also told police he procured the girl for oral sex in front of his friends because he thought it would be “a laugh with everyone watching”, a Children’s Court heard yesterday.

    The boy’s admissions were aired at a plea hearing for him and seven other teenagers yesterday who have pleaded guilty to making a pornographic film, which they called “C— The Movie” and sold for $5 each.

    The film, which was played in a closed court to the boys’ parents yesterday, many of whom had not seen it, shows the boys circling the girl and repeatedly setting her hair on fire while they collectively force her to perform oral sex on two of the boys on five separate occasions.

    The boys, now aged between 16 and 18 years, also urinate on her, drop a lit cigarette down her pants and write the movie title on her breasts during the film.

    One boy says, ” F—, she’s the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen” during the film and another asks to urinate in her mouth before saying, “It’s the Werribee way.”

    Before the film ends, they kick her clothes into the river and tell her she’s “going topless”.

    A prosecutor, who cannot be named, said the victim — a 17-year-old girl who suffers from a learning disability — appeared intimidated and cried throughout the attack on the banks of the Werribee River in June last year.

    The court heard the girl repeatedly pleaded with the boys to stop what they were doing and that when one of the defendants sprayed deodorant through a flame to set her hair alight, she screamed, collapsed to the ground and cowered.

    The girl’s father wrote in a victim impact statement that he only learned of the DVD two hours before excerpts of it were shown on a television program last October.

    “On the day I found out about the crime involving my daughter, I felt intensely sick and full of rage,” he said.

    He said his family had suffered significant emotional and financial damage because of the attack on his daughter, who continues to feel as though people recognise her as the girl in the DVD.

    The court heard the eight boys, all of whom had been assessed as suitable for an adolescent sexual rehabilitation program, had been identified and harassed in their local communities.

    One lawyer said his client had been stabbed at a party and suffered retribution during sporting and social events. Another lawyer said his client had been attacked twice. The court heard another defendant’s family had excrement and urine thrown at their house.

    Four of the boys’ lawyers, who pleaded for their clients yesterday, told the court they were remorseful and wanted to avoid convictions.

    The prosecutor disagreed, arguing the boys had already been given the chance to avoid youth detention by entering a guilty plea and being assessed for a rehabilitation program for young offenders.

    “These are very, very serious matters. They are appalling and degrading crimes,” she said. “It is, if you like, a group or pack mentality which I’m sure everybody in this room hopes is never repeated.”

    Three teens charged over the DVD will contest the charges in December, meaning the victim will testify in front of the accused.

    The plea hearing for the eight teens, who have pleaded guilty to offences including manufacturing child pornography and assault, continues today.

  207. Well that makes for a great story for The Age and hopefully it sold many papers today. It kept me enthralled for ages.
    I might even nominate this for a Literary Prize. It was such a great story. I do much prefer a rhyme though … maybe even a limerick or two. Maybe you could provide one in your next post. Something to cheer everyone up would be appropriate I think. Something that rhymes with ‘nantucket’ seems funny …. gees I’m laughing already.
    Oh I know …. maybe a love poem … oh no I’ve got it …. a poem about healing the world … yeah that’s better …. I think you Constant Gardener would be great for it …. or maybe even an ode to justice …. you could even slip in something about say ‘death to all sinners’ or something …. yeah …. but enough from me and my rambling I’d love to hear from you now.
    Please respond with something special.
    P.S. Oh and can you dedicate it to me …. pleaseeeeee

  208. Yep I hear you loud and clear listener so here is another one straight off the press from the Age today……may be there refering to youin this article

    Parents of teen in abuse film blame girl victim

    October 19, 2007

    THE parents of a teenage boy who urinated on a girl’s head while she was filmed performing sex acts believe she was partly to blame, a court has heard.

    A prosecutor told a Children’s Court yesterday that the 17-year-old’s father tried to excuse his son’s behaviour by saying he was “just filming friends”.

    “I’m sure they are loving parents and so on but that is simply an erroneous way to view the material. It’s unfortunate that that is the way his father sees it,” she said.

    The prosecutor who cannot be named said the boy’s parents had also voiced their belief that the girl, 17, who has a learning disability, was “in part to blame” for the crimes inflicted on her.

    This “flavour” was also evident, the prosecutor said, in a report on the boy written by staff at the Royal Children’s Hospital who said he had

    “not been able to acknowledge the full extent of his behaviour”.

    The court heard the teen, who with seven others has pleaded guilty to assault, procuring sexual penetration by intimidation and making child pornography, told police the girl “didn’t really care about it” and “wanted to do it”.

    In the film, which was titled C— The Movie and sold to students in Melbourne’s western suburbs for $5, the teen spits on the girl, drops a lit cigarette down her pants and pokes her with a stick. He also forces his bare bottom into her face and says, “Lick my arse.”

    The DVD, which runs about 20 minutes, shows the girl pleading with the boys to stop as they torch her hair and force her to perform oral sex.

    The prosecutor said a conviction was necessary for most of the boys, aged between 16 and 18, because of the seriousness of the crimes and to deter others from repeating their behaviour. “Rehabilitation is not the only factor that should be taken into account,” she said.

    It emerged yesterday that one of the boys charged over the film, shot in Werribee last year, was living with a family friend because his parents were in another state and had chosen not to support him in court.

    The teen, who set fire to the girl’s hair and forced her to perform oral sex on him in the film, wiped away tears as his lawyer called his situation “inherently unstable”.

  209. HEY LISTENER/REALIST

    Maybe these words printed yesterday in the paper this morning will place a nice ring in your ear

    “The court played the DVD which showed the girl repeatedly pleading with the boys to stop what they were doing.

    When one of the defendants sprayed deodorant through a flame to set her hair alight, she screamed, collapsed to the ground and cowered.”

    Are those words poetic enough for those in denial or do you want more……let me know as there are plenty where they come from…..the courtroom yesterday…..

    What a laugh hey girls

  210. What is your problem??

    None of this case is funny…. now the posts are a different situation. You seem to be confusing the actual case with you (meaning everyone on this site) continuously attacking each other. THAT is funny. And that is why I said “here we go round the mulberry bush”…it just goes on and on pointlessly… I really dont know what you hope to achieve here, other then to vent.

    Someone said this was a site to discuss the case …NAH.. everyone just insults each other.

    So go ahead find the line I wrote or something I said to bitch about. Havent you noticed I gave up caring ages ago…and I mean about this site not the case.

    Not that you believe me but I am not Listener. I have not posted my opinion because I choose not to. And I have always said I do not know the facts, I was not there, I have only heard rumours AND will wait for the trial. Even after the trial I wont post my opinion because my opinion doesnt matter.

  211. This whole case is made more appalling by Listener/Realist’s glib attitudes.

    Parental attitudes that lay blame on the victim only add to the concern over this case.

  212. Yes I have watched the DVD. Yes the girl asked them to stop. Yes the girl had some liquid dropped on her. Yes the boy did singe her hair. Yes the DVD runs for 20 minutes. Yes the part being discussed in court runs for about 5 minutes. Yes I can read the Newspapers. Yes I know how the legal system works. Yes some boys pleaded guilty. Yes those pleading guilty will not have a lengthy or costly court case. These have always been my opinions so what am I in denial of exactly? Unlike Realist I have an opinion. But that is because we are different people.

    Friendly Fire – I hope that comment is not aimed at me but if so don’t you ever criticise my parental abilities. You don’t even know me and I have never attacked anyone so personally.
    As for having a glib attitude I don’t quite understand why having a persuasive attitude is appalling unless of course you don’t understand the meaning of the word.
    As for my opinion of this forum well its not a place where anything has ever been discussed. Yes a few have but mostly its been a box for venting a disturbing level of anger.
    Thats why I followed Realists lead and to help end this topic I have made light of things but never of the real issues.
    Similar to ‘la la la I can’t hear you’.
    I really had hoped to find someone here I could get some answers from and not about the court case.
    But even though I now speak from the heart someone will take me either out of context or ridicule my thoughts as I would expect. I take issues quite seriously with today’s youth and I am all for a temporary curfew system which makes parents answerable and the banning of mass gatherings of unsupervised kids.
    Go on take me apart though cos that’s what I’m expecting and because I am I guess it won’t bother me so much.

  213. Sorry- (pressed tab by mistake)

    EXPOSED- Going back to your comment 16 Sept 8pm-
    about non custodial sentencers- I am not quite sure what this means sorry.. but I am not sure what sentence would be appropriate for the boys as I do not know the facts.

    I do have opinions but only based on “alleged” fact. And as whatever you say on the internet becomes fact for life… I will choose not to comment. I will say that I think Jail scares me because it may create more harm then good, but I really dont know what actually happens in jail…

    I do think some form of therapy would help everyone (but only if people really listen).. I wish I had the magic answer but I dont. If I had the answer I would post it.

    I would just like a fair judgement that will result in the boys being better citizens and the girl feeling safe and happy. I want to see something positive come from this.
    So again I have set myself up for attack.

  214. Listener you keep saying that you are not a parent of one of the boys involved so why would concerns about their parenting abilities be aimed at you?

    As for you not attacking people personally on this forum why don’t you scroll up and read your own posts before commenting. I see you called someone a dickhead earlier.

  215. I’m very sorry if I insulted someone when I said “If you think that they knew what they were doing was child pornography than you’re even a bigger dickhead than you seem” but I was a little frustrated.

    And I did think that the parental jibe was at me because the previous line was addressed to me and I have mentioned I am a parent and I don’t know that Realist is so I assumed it was targeting me.

  216. Freindly Fire…if you werent insinuating either Listener or I was a parent of the boys why did you write that line?

    I chose to ignore it.

  217. Lets all wait for November 5, Im sure the Judges comments will be very enlightening and allow us all to move on. I for one know that this horrible episode is slowly but surely coming to a positive end for all involved……

  218. When bad things happen to others in society we rely on the principle of law and justice to bring balance back to the community and society we live in. The courts are charged with this principle and meant to distribute justice impatially. When it comes to the sentencing of effenders the courts see the case before it as either being proved or disproved on the balance of probabilities and the evidence presented.There is no grey area in justice because something is either just or unjust.

    With this case the boys pled guilty and will receive appropriate sentences because the courts and society want to ensure that balance and meaning is restored to both the offenders and the victim.

    Bring on Nov 5

  219. Good call.

    This case is about justice and sending the right message to young men ” that males in our society have an indivual and collective responsibility to do the right thing when it comes to dealing with women….. or sanctions for wrongdoing will occur.

  220. No more victims
    No more perpatrators and
    No more people who idly stand by watching and doing nothing to stop violence against women

    Thats what these boys need to learn

  221. Slight Adjustment…

    No more victims
    No more perpatrators and
    No more people who idly stand by watching and doing nothing to stop violence against anyone

    Thats what everyone needs to learn…but its not going to happen while everyone thinks they are the victim and need revenge.

  222. Another slight adjustment

    No more victims
    No more perpatrators and
    No more people who idly stand by watching and doing nothing to stop violence against women

    Thats what everyone needs to learn…but its not going to happen until all kids (especially boys) are role modelled and taught these behaviours by there parents and community.

    Its not about revenge Realist …its about change

    unfortunatly Realist you cant see the need for this and perhaps need to change your log in name…..perhaps to The Great Protector Of Anyone Who Has Wrongfully Been Bought To Justice For Committing The DVD Crime in Werribee

    A bit long maybe

  223. For Christs sake why did you have to get nasty?? The last 5 posts weren’t nasty or vindictive because they were just observations which didn’t attack anyone but then you go and blow it by getting evil and nasty!
    The other comments highlighted the need for everyone to come together to help put a stop to crimes against others.
    You make it sound like you want to victimise all young boys and that the only crime is that against women. And then if that’s not enough you attack Realist who seems to be a female so you are now the one committing a crime against women.
    And you are very wrong because looking back I don’t see anywhere where Realist defends anyone let alone the boys.
    You are the type of person that poses the greatest problem with society – righteous, illinformed, uneducated and very nasty.
    You see a racial hate crime and slot everyone from that race in one basket.
    The parents of kids and everyone else need to ensure that all children are educated and taught moral values regardless of what adults are doing in the world today. Those children that make mistakes need to understand what they have done and be allowed to make amends and become responsible adults.
    I’m a parent and I’m not perfect but I try to be damn hard on my kids and I expect alot from them but I am also sympathetic to the issues the have these days. It was so much easier for me being a kid and I’d hate to be growing up now so please back off with the attitude. This goes much deeper than a DVD crime or Werribee or Realist or young boys. Its about ensuring that as we get older the world maintains some hope.

    Spoken sincerely and from the heart.

    Now someone can take me apart as usual.

  224. Unlike other people I dont see a need to hide and change my name. I chose it a long time ago and now it is what it is.

    The title of the first post was “3 laws of life”, so I just thought it should include men as well as women. And it should cover all situations not just this one.

    I think you may have actually proven my point as I did not intend to offend anyone but obviously offended you. Then you go getting revenge by attacking me personally.

  225. use all fuckheads to even have the time to write about something you konw absoloutley nothing about. they didnt gang rape the girl!! they are all nice boys and its not there fault that she is a slut. she isnt retarted or 12 years of age. she is 18 years of age and she has dislexia. which she would be probably smarter in school then most of the boys. but instead she finds attention strippin herself of infront of everyone so she can feel loved cause obviously she has no love and fucked up parents. so i think we should think about that!!
    she also stripps at parties cause i have seen her she is a fat attention seeker…poor fuckin her.
    i hate the newspapers and all media that have made out that these boys are scum, worthless and most of all ruined there lives forver and there families and if any them loose a life soon i goin to blame on the media. i think the media should put the real DVD on and not just the bad parts because if you watched it all you would think the same thing as me right now. they are innercent!! all of them

    i think her family just wants the compo cause if her hair was that badly burnt he would of done something about it then. instead it took him serveral months to a year to even no about it. until he got hold of the DVD. so that would be tellin us something there!!

  226. on proposed sentence that boys attend extensive sexual rehabilation at Juvenile Justice clinic for 12 months.>>>>
    I think that they should ALSO be tracked just to make sure that they don’t up and do something simlair as adults. Hopefully they’ll realize what they did was really kinda fucked up and not a “hee hee hee” prank.God, someone who would do something like that is very clearly misogynetic. (s?) This wasn’t a “Oh we went out on a date, and now she’s accusing me of raping her b/c she got mad at me ” sort of deal. I really do think that the boys are in need of intensive psychological treatment. How fucked up do you have to be to not know that something like this isn’t just a joke? Can we say EXTREME bullying?
    Constant Gardner, it doesn’t surprise me that one of them didn’t realize the magnetitude (sp?) of what happened.
    Listener, yeah this was a mistake………..but it really did indicate that the boys have very screwed up attitudes about sex and treating women and all that.

  227. It is no wonder these pricks act like this, look at the caliber of the parents and morons who think the sun shines out of their arses.

    It is no wonder bicco or whatever useless retarded nickname he has, made a rap song glorifying this. The parents should be charged with causing public menace by having these ‘children’ in the first place.

    They are adults now. None of them deserve to have futures. Including reality and listener. Pathetic cretins breed pathetic cretins.

  228. You know nothing about this subject nor do you even know the people involved. Same thing is happening now to Mr Johns poor bugger. You mister are the pathetic cretin, you probably don’t even have kids and maybe that’s a blessing for us all. What comes out of your mouth sir is nothing but what comes from your rectum. Your an adult I presume so what’s your excuse??

  229. What do you have to say for the lyrics of their rap song then? NICE BOYS are not racist, do not make up derogatory rap songs named after a girl they banged up, and don’t set homeless people on fire. They do not write on their myspace pages that they’d “do it all again”.

    What goes around comes around… ain’t that a bitch.

  230. Thats bull.

    It seems that you are either one of the kids or friends with them so you defend what they did because in twisted mind you don’t want to admit the truth of what happen. That is disgusting.

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